I used to follow that forum closely. It seemed to have a lot of interesting people contributing who were highly involved in the technical as well as the historical aspects of the genre (especially R.K.). Then when Google took it over, and I changed internet providers I was unable to log on, and stopped participating, and recently returned just to see how it was going. IT is a MESS -- even worse than the various Leica Forums and their egocentric contributers. I have begun to see why the Photo.net LF moderaters overreacted in censoring in order to prevent this kind of brohaha occuring on their forum. So I thank you again, Tuan and your associates, for this forum. (Incidentally, are BS/HP and SS/VC two aliases for the same overbearing person, or are they two different people with one and the same sociopathic personality? They seem to be responsible for 90% of the ill will on those forums. PS, it's okay with me for you to censor any or all of this thread.)