47mm on 4x5 camera

[Anthony Lewis]

I use the Schneider 47mmXL on a Sinar F2 and P2 quite often. I get great results.
Bellows are a must, and I have to check that all standards are set to 'middle' positions before I shoot - and make sure they don't slip, if you tilt the camera!

There is apparently some small movement, but I don't bother because I can't see the corners of the image at any rate. They are akward to use. Frame and focus first, then mount centre filter, and other filters. Ensure all filters don't vignette. Finally ensure you don't get your head in shot - it can be easy to forget how wide this lens is!

It is a great lens wide great results.

[Adam Kavalunas]

f/8? I'm not an expert, but I doubt that lens covers 4x5. You need the XL 5.6 version to cover 4x5 right guys?

[Ivan J. Eberle]

Confusing nomenclature.

The Graflex XL is not a 4x5 camera, it is medium format. Interesting old rangefinder.

The 47mm f/8 Schneider Angulon lens in question is a medium format lens that won't cover 4x5. But it's pretty wide used with a 6x9cm (same as 2-1/4 X 3-1/4") on the Graflex XL.

Schneider also makes the 47mm Super Angulon XL which will cover 4x5 with room to spare.

So, despite the "XL" in the name of the camera and one of the lenses, there's no standardization for what constitutes "extra-large," and these are not the same lenses, at all.

[rdenney]

The 47mm f/8 Schneider Angulon lens in question is a medium format lens that won't cover 4x5. But it's pretty wide used with a 6x9cm (same as 2-1/4 X 3-1/4") on the Graflex XL.

The 47mm f/8 Schneider lens is a Super Angulon, not an Angulon (you knew that, of course, but for the sake of posterity and all that). It is the 6-element biogon-derived design, not the dagor design. It has a 100-degree angle of view, for a 113mm image circle at f/22, according to Schneider.

The 47mm f/5.6 Super Angulon is the 8-element design, with an angle of view of 105 degrees and an image circle of 123mm.

Both of the above are intended for 6x9 applications, with the f/5.6 version providing more movement coverage. The f/5.6 SA will cover 6x12, barely.

The 47mm f/5.6 Super Angulon XL has a 120-degree angle of view and a 166mm image circle. It is the shortest lens I know of that will cover 4x5.

The shortest f/8 6-element Super Angulon that will cover 4x5 is the 65/8, albeit barely (155mm image circle).

Rick "who has a 65/8 with 'future 4x5 point-n-shoot project' written on it" Denney

[Joshua Dunn]

I photograph with the Sinar F2 and Sinar P with the 47mm Schneider Super Angulon XL. I use a bag bellows with a recessed lens board. You might be able to get away with just using a bag bellows but I prefer to use it with the recessed in case I want to try and use some movements.

[rdenney]

I photograph with the Sinar F2 and Sinar P with the 47mm Schneider Super Angulon XL. I use a bag bellows with a recessed lens board. You might be able to get away with just using a bag bellows but I prefer to use it with the recessed in case I want to try and use some movements.

Try it with the Wide Angle Bellows 2 instead of the standard bag bellows. I think you'll find it provides all the movements you can use with a 47XL on the 4x5 format. And it's MUCH easier to use that way. I would never have though the double-pleated WA Bellows 2 were that much better than the standard bag bellows, until I bought one and tried it.

Rick "who uses a 47/5.6 with the WA Bellows 2 and roll-film formats on an F" Denney