Jobo choice: CPE-2 vs CPP-2 for B&W 4x5 shooter?

**Greg Blank** · 10-Jul-2011, 16:05

They might fit, but the motor in the CPE and CPE2+ is dinky compared to the CPP2 and CPA. The older versions of the CPA and CPP2 motors had three revisions prior to the final version which was devised to make the motor suitable for Expert drum use.

In order for an Expert drums to fit the lift of any processor their must be about 5 1/4 inches clearance measured from the bottom of the trough to the middle of the upper spout. Now even if the Drum does go onto the CPE-CPE2+ lift, its only a matter of time until the motor will quit.

Originally Posted by Bob McCarthy

I read a post recently that a Cpe user claimed "one" of the expert drums would work. I bought a Cpe w/o the understanding that expert drums not apply.

Is that true, that one of the expert drums is small enough?

Been looking for a 2500 series and reels!!

Bob

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**Jeremy Moore** · 10-Jul-2011, 16:29

Originally Posted by Greg Blank

...its only a matter of time until the motor will quit.

Isn't that every motor?

I have an early CPA I've used with Expert drums for 4 years now and it was used with Expert drums for 3 years before that (I believe)... at some point I fully expect it to die, but until then....

**Greg Blank** · 10-Jul-2011, 19:52

Yes, until then you be considering your next purchase, a digital P&S.

Originally Posted by Jeremy Moore

Isn't that every motor?

I have an early CPA I've used with Expert drums for 4 years now and it was used with Expert drums for 3 years before that (I believe)... at some point I fully expect it to die, but until then....

**Cor** · 11-Jul-2011, 05:25

my 2 cents..(again, since my post got lost in the crash it appears..)

Have a CPE and the 2509n reels to process B&W 4*5 for years now. Only very recently I could borrow a Jobo 3010 Expert drum (Thanks friends!).

The combination 2509n, EFKE IR and PyrocatHD give almost constantly strange artifacts along the long dimensions of the negatives: underdevelopment, surge marks, and imprints of the little plastic thingies that hold the negatives in the reel.

Less so on Fp4+ in Xtol

After the first trails with the Expert 3010 and a Simma Sinus roller (the wheels of that roller are a tad to wide apart to realy nicely roll the drum, they should be a bit closer together, ideas?); perfectly processed negatives!

Best,

Cor

**Greg Blank** · 11-Jul-2011, 19:07

Hei Lähetän kuvan siitä, mitä puhumme.

Originally Posted by Cor

After the first trails with the Expert 3010 and a Simma Sinus roller (the wheels of that roller are a tad to wide apart to realy nicely roll the drum, they should be a bit closer together, ideas?); perfectly processed negatives!

Best,

Cor

**Greg Blank** · 11-Jul-2011, 19:14

Seemly-Less arrogant now

Any motor can be fixed, I have taken apart motors an have cleaned them up to where they work again. Is all a result of using patience versus needing to have an immediate conclusion.

Originally Posted by Greg Blank

Yes, until then you be considering your next purchase, a digital P&S.

**Cor** · 11-Jul-2011, 23:59

Originally Posted by Greg Blank

Hei Lähetän kuvan siitä, mitä puhumme.

I am not from Finland, but what do you mean by:

"Hey, I am sending a picture of what we are talking about"..?

You sound like those spam mails, not sure if I want to see your picture...

Best,

Cor

**SamReeves** · 12-Jul-2011, 08:08

I think it all depends on your budget. If you can splurge, the CPP-2 and expert tanks are a very nice option. Otherwise the CPE-2 and 2500 series tanks will do the job too. Whatever you do, get a lift!!!