historic photograph: real or fake?

[lostjr]

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi..._1901-1902.JPG

I say it was not possible to stop action like this given the technology of the day. Others say it would be possible with flash powder.

Even if flash powder could stop action, I doubt that you could sync several of them, and this photo appears to have more than one light source.

I have read that Fox Talbot apparently experimented with stop action via electronic flash in 1850, but I don't know if this was ever practiced commercially.

AFAIK Muybridge just used a fast shutter, no flash.

[benrains]

If you used an electric carbon arc light (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arc_lamp) you wouldn't have to worry about syncing. They're continuous (and very bright) light sources. You'd just need a fast shutter.

[bobwysiwyg]

I vote fake. The hair styles and garment fabric fit appear modern to me. But, as my wife occasionally says, my opinions have variable and frequently minimal value. )

[benrains]

A little more research indicates the image is from the Byron Collection of the Museum of the City of New York. From the museum's website on the collection:

This database contains digital images and descriptive information about individual works in the Byron Collection. The collection consists of over 22,000 photographs of New York City and its environs taken by the Byron Company between 1890 and 1942.

If you run a search on 'keith' and 'bicycle' in their online database, a series of four images come up, all taken of the same bicycle track- http://museumofnyc.doetech.net/wiz10.cfm

If you just search on the term 'bicycle' there are actually a number of other stunt and trick bicycle images that are returned. So I'd say in the broader context of a known collection maintained by a museum that the image is 100% authentic.

[GPS]

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi..._1901-1902.JPG

I say it was not possible to stop action like this given the technology of the day. Others say it would be possible with flash powder.

Even if flash powder could stop action, I doubt that you could sync several of them, and this photo appears to have more than one light source.

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What exactly on the picture you think could not be done with the technology of that time?

[Kirk Keyes]

It's certainly staged or a trick photo, as the spokes are visible all the way out to the rims, and they would certainly be blurred for the near rider on the left. You need some speed to stay up on a wall that steep. The rider on the near right looks to have his foot on the ground and is not moving. It's an odd photo for certain.

[Nathan Smith]

It's certainly staged or a trick photo, as the spokes are visible all the way out to the rims, and they would certainly be blurred for the near rider on the left. You need some speed to stay up on a wall that steep. The rider on the near right looks to have his foot on the ground and is not moving. It's an odd photo for certain.

That rider is actually on the ground and is stopped, hence the clear spokes. His position & expression, considering he's motionless, is kind of odd - he's either posing or considering how to join the others on the track The spokes on the others are not as clear and do look as though they might be moving. I agree that it is definitely odd.

[Mike Anderson]

I don't think they're moving very fast, judging by the lean angle. It's possible they are moving very very slow if they are skilled bicyclists. I don't think flash is necessary to capture this.

I see nothing that makes this technologically impossible for the early 1900's.

...Mike

[benrains]

Well, I do think Kirk's point about it being staged may have some merit, although it's a period photograph. In looking at the other photos of the track in the Byron Collection, 3 of the 4 images, each taken from very different perspectives, show all four riders in the same positions on the track. That seems a little odd.

[Paul Kierstead]

In looking at the other photos of the track in the Byron Collection, 3 of the 4 images, each taken from very different perspectives, show all four riders in the same positions on the track. That seems a little odd.

Beyond odd. At casual glance, the 3 seem identically positioned. If we didn't have the fourth, I'd say wax museum or something. As it is, it almost seems like it has to be some kind of show piece, with the riders not moving at all and held in place by means unseen. Very odd and pretty fascinating.