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    Re: RA-4/Wet Color...Is it worth trying for a newb?

    I use multiple drums. Washing in the drum isn't an issue. It's making sure the damn thing is 100% dry.

    For drying paper towels.

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    Kodak just discontinued the optical RA-4 paper (Supra Endura IIRC). Apparently the replacement is meant for digital printers and when color-balanced for skin tones with an optical system, neutrals shift cyan. Also, RA-4 papers don't seem to be available in sheet sizes any longer, only rolls. Not good news for home color darkrooms.

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    Can you provide a link of authentication for that<Please>. There will be a lot of schools and universities P.O'd because of that one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Smigiel View Post
    Kodak just discontinued the optical RA-4 paper (Supra Endura IIRC). Apparently the replacement is meant for digital printers and when color-balanced for skin tones with an optical system, neutrals shift cyan. Also, RA-4 papers don't seem to be available in sheet sizes any longer, only rolls. Not good news for home color darkrooms.

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    Uhh, I just checked....BH Photo now only lists a few Kodak color papers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Blank View Post
    Can you provide a link of authentication for that<Please>. There will be a lot of schools and universities P.O'd because of that one.
    Here ya go:

    http://www.kodak.com/global/en/profe...4021/e4021.pdf

    And this is from Technical Publication E-4042 on the replacement:

    Color Management
    SUPRA ENDURA VC Digital Paper is optimized for printing
    in both internal and external color-managed, short
    exposure, digital workflows. Many digital printers have
    color-management capability built into their software.
    SUPRA ENDURA VC Digital Paper is fully compatible with
    these printers.
    Optical Printing
    This paper can be printed optically. The image will be high
    in contrast and, if balanced on flesh tones, the neutrals will
    appear cyan.

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    Re: RA-4/Wet Color...Is it worth trying for a newb?

    Fuji C and P papers print just fine optically and are readily available in sheets.

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    The tech publication says that only the rolls of Supra Endura will be discontinued and that they will continue to make sheets.

    as far as drying the tubes, careful paper towel use is the best technique I've found.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andy View Post
    The tech publication says that only the rolls of Supra Endura will be discontinued and that they will continue to make sheets.
    That's not how I read it. The sheet talks about Portra Endura as if it is still being made, yet the discontinuance notice at the top states "KODAK PROFESSIONAL PORTRA ENDURA Paper was discontinued in late 2006." So, Kodak appears to have just added a recent notice to the text of an older technical data sheet.

    That discontinuance notice does not differentiate between Supra Endura in rolls or sheets. Rather, it states:

    Product Discontinuance
    KODAK PROFESSIONAL SUPRA ENDURA Paper will be
    discontinued by year end 2009 or when stock is depleted.



    Here's the entire discontinuance notice and opening four paragraphs from the sheet:

    Product Discontinuance

    KODAK PROFESSIONAL SUPRA ENDURA Paper will be
    discontinued by year end 2009 or when stock is depleted. KODAK
    PROFESSIONAL SUPRA ENDURA VC Digital Paper is the
    alternative replacement.


    KODAK PROFESSIONAL PORTRA ENDURA Paper and
    KODAK PROFESSIONAL SUPRA ENDURA Paper are fast,
    resin-coated multilayer papers for making color prints
    from color negatives or internegatives. They can be
    exposed both digitally and optically. They are designed for
    all types of equipment from digital (CRT, LED, and laser)
    exposing devices to optical enlargers and automatic
    printers.

    KODAK PROFESSIONAL PORTRA ENDURA Paper is a
    low contrast paper, making it an ideal choice for portrait,
    studio, and wedding photography, as well as location
    portraiture. KODAK PROFESSIONAL SUPRA ENDURA
    Paper features slightly higher contrast and color
    saturation, making it an excellent choice for portrait,
    candid, event, high-key, and commercial applications.

    The new papers can easily be distinguished from
    KODAK PROFESSIONAL PORTRA III and SUPRA III Papers
    by their unique watermark on the back. PORTRA ENDURA
    Paper has a single grey dot under PAPER, whereas
    PORTRA III has two dots separating PAPER, PAPIER, and
    PAPEL. Likewise, SUPRA ENDURA Paper has a single grey
    dot under PAPER, whereas SUPRA III has two dots
    separating PAPER, PAPIER, and PAPEL.

    Both are available in sheets and rolls in E (fine lustre), F
    (glossy), and N (matt) surfaces. Use KODAK
    EKTACOLOR Chemicals for Process RA-4 to process
    these papers.


    Later in the sheet reference is made to available sizes:

    SIZES AVAILABLE
    KODAK PROFESSIONAL PORTRA ENDURA Paper and
    KODAK PROFESSIONAL SUPRA ENDURA Paper are
    available in a variety of roll and sheet sizes...


    I don't see any reference "that only the rolls of Supra Endura will be discontinued and that they will continue to make sheets." There is no reference to what they will continue to make. There is only a specific reference to what is discontinued and to what is the suggested replacement.

    The Technical Data Sheet (E-4042) on the replacement paper does not indicate sheet sizes are available. Here's the availability statement from that document:

    SUPRA ENDURA VC Digital Paper is available in E
    (fine-grained, lustre), F (glossy), N (smooth matt), and Y
    (silk) surfaces in roll formats. Surfaces, formats, and
    catalog numbers may differ from country to country.


    It does appear Fuji papers are still currently available in sheets and in stock at certain vendors like Calumet and B&H.

    Joe

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    Re: RA-4/Wet Color...Is it worth trying for a newb?

    Off to Fuji then.

    The other shoe to drop will probably be Portra film in sheet film sizes. Who needs C-41 anyome?

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    Fuji Crystal Archive was always my favorite... I found Kodak accentuated yellows and oranges in a weird way.

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