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    My New Maxwell Screen

    I use a Sinar F, usually with 6x9 or 6x12 rollfilm holders. Being that I'm a wide-angle aficionado, being able to use a 47/5.6 Super Angulon (pre-XL) and a 65/5.6 SA was a requirement of the setup. I have installed that lens in a cheapie recessed lens board, and with the bag bellows it focuses easily without having to do anything inconvenient like moving the standards to one side of the tripod mount.

    But there is one significant pain the butt with that lens: I couldn't see anything more than the central spot. The ground glass on the Sinar is deeply recessed, and getting to the edges of the frame with a loupe, considering that the loupe had to be pointed at a shallow angle into the lens, was nearly impossible.

    Sinar makes a Fresnel and I have a couple of them. I find that with lenses shorter than 90, it causes a range of visual artifacts, such as ghosted images at the edges, the render it useless for the 47 and the 65. It was, of course, probably optimized for something like a 120.

    After a lot of research, I finally bit the bullet and bought a standard Hi-Lux screen from Bill Maxwell. This is (yet another) mini-review of that screen and how it works on a Sinar.

    The screen comes in two parts. The working part is a plastic focus screen with a ground surface on one side and a micro-Fresnel on the other. The ground surface is, I think, molded--it shows none of the surface damage that comes with grinding or acid etching use for standard glass focus screens. The micro-Fresnel is just that--in a 4X loupe, the Fresnel lines are virtually invisible. They do not interfere with focusing in the slightest. Because the frosted surface is where it usually is, this installs at the same plane as regular ground glass, without any extra fiddling. Some cameras put a Fresnel on the front side, and calibrate for the change in light path. This screen will require calibration to be accurate with those cameras. For cameras where the ground glass sits on hard stops, however, it's a drop-in replacement.

    To protect the Fresnel (which faces the user), the second part is a glass cover. The markings are printed onto the cover glass. Mine is a grid with outlines for roll-film formats, which is what I ordered. Other markings are available. You can also make your own markings using a Sharpie pen on the backside of the cover glass. Make a line, let it dry, make another line, let it dry, and repeat until it looks right. Use a fine-point Sharpie and a proper straightedge like a drafter's triangle.

    The two parts are sandwiched together and mounted in place of the factory ground glass. The sandwich is a bit thicker. The Sinar clips were fine without modification, but the Sinar Fresnel holder is now a fiddly fit because the new screen consumes some of the space under a clip that the Fresnel needs. In practice, it's not a problem because I doubt I'll ever use the Sinar Fresnel again.

    Maxwell makes a screen optimized for very short lenses, but I find that I am now able to view the 47 reasonably using this standard screen.

    "Reasonably" means "fighting chance." Before, I couldn't see well enough with that lens to compose the image--now I can compose even in dim light. I can also focus using a loupe right to the edge of the frame. I would say that the 47 is about as good as a 180 was using the standard screen. (And this with a lens that has a two-stop falloff even at f/22.) I can even see the limits of coverage on that lens, which is a very soft edge at f/5.6. In the dimness of my living room, I found that I could actually use that lens without frustration.

    A 180 on the Maxwell screen shows no falloff in light intensity on the screen whatever. The scene is evenly illuminated across the screen.

    This is a real option for those who want to use ultra-wide lenses that are nearly impossible to see outside the central spot on a standard screen. At just under $300, it's not cheap, but I've sure spent more and gotten less.

    Rick "highly recommended" Denney

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    Re: My New Maxwell Screen

    I've used many different viewing screens on a wide variety of LF cameras - Maxwell, Beattie, BosScreen, Fresnels that were original equipment on Ebony, Tachihara, and Chamonix cameras, Linhof super screen or whatever they called it, and plain ground glass that came with two Deardorffs and other cameras. The Maxwell is IMHO the best of the bunch, followed fairly closely by BosScreens. The rest weren't worth fooling with. I'm not sure BosScreens are still made, I've seen different information about their present status.
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    Good information, guys. Thank you. I currently have two camera kits... one for sheet film and another small/lightweight kit dedicated to shoot roll film for when I can't carry the former. These both have ultra-wide lenses equal to .28 to .30 times the image diagonal of the film area. But I also have normal and long lenses.

    QUESTIONS:
    1. Can one use the ultra-wide Maxwell screen for normal/long lenses or is it better to have two backs equipped with corresponding screens?
    2. Is the wide (not ultra-wide) screen a better overall choice? This seems to be your finding, Denney, if I followed your post correctly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1234 View Post
    QUESTIONS:
    1. Can one use the ultra-wide Maxwell screen for normal/long lenses or is it better to have two backs equipped with corresponding screens?
    2. Is the wide (not ultra-wide) screen a better overall choice? This seems to be your finding, Denney, if I followed your post correctly.
    I have never handled or looked through Maxwell's screen that is optimized for wide lenses. The Sinar Fresnel does not work for ultra-wide lenses--you get ghosting and double images out at the edges. The focal length of that Fresnel is designed for normal lenses and moderate wides. The Maxwell standard Hi-Lux screen does not exhibit these issues, and it does brighten the image usefully even with the 47.

    I suspect that the Maxwell screen optimized for ultra-wides would provide more even illumination, but Maxwell himself does not recommend it for use with longer lenses. He suggested that I start with his standard screen and see how that worked, and if I decided to add the ultra-wide screen, I should do it in a second ground-glass frame. I probably won't do that--the standard screen seems to have solved my problem.

    The BosScreen is made from two sheets of glass with a wax material in between. The wax material provides the diffusion and also the focusing surface, and it has to be mounted such that the diffusion layer is in the right place. That requires some fiddling. And there has been concern expressed about the heat stability of the wax for sunbelt-photographers who keep their cameras in their hot cars. I've never handled one so I don't know.

    What I personally know is that the Maxwell standard screen provides about the same illumination across the image with a 47mm lens as does a plain ground glass when used with a 180. That is not perfectly even illumination by any means, but it's enough to compose and focus, which is a big improvement over the previous condition.

    Rick "call me Rick" Denney

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    Rick, to each his own BUT I have owned a number of Maxwell screens and would never consider purchasing another. IMHO they are GROSSLY overpriced and equally over rated.

    Steve Hopf IMO offers a superior product at a fraction of Maxwell’s prices.

    Hopf provides near instant shipment. Ordering can be done via email without having to endure endless telephone conversations as with Maxwell.

    This has been my personal experience - others may and probably will differ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Fisher View Post
    Steve Hopf IMO offers a superior product at a fraction of Maxwell’s prices.
    Steve Hopf's screens are just plain ground glass, aren't they? If so, that seems to me a different product for a different purpose. I had no complaints with the Sinar plain ground glass, which is acid-etched and very high quality. It was just the wrong solution for the wide-angle-lens problem I had, though it was fine for lenses of 120mm and longer.

    Have you used such a screen on a 4x5 camera with a 47mm Super Angulon?

    Rick "who would gladly buy them for any situation requiring a plain ground glass" Denney

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Fisher View Post
    Rick, to each his own BUT I have owned a number of Maxwell screens and would never consider purchasing another. IMHO they are GROSSLY overpriced and equally over rated.

    Steve Hopf IMO offers a superior product at a fraction of Maxwell’s prices.

    Hopf provides near instant shipment. Ordering can be done via email without having to endure endless telephone conversations as with Maxwell.

    This has been my personal experience - others may and probably will differ.
    Hopf makes a plain ground glass. It may be an excellent ground glass but it's still just a ground glass, which is an entirely different product from a Maxwell screen. I'm surprised that despite thinking the Maxwell screens are overpriced and overrated you nevertheless have owned "a number" of them. Seems like it would have been wise to stop at one if they're overpriced and overrated.
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    Brian, please correct me if I am mistaken, but did I ask anywhere in my post for your personal opinion of my actions? I clearly stated that I was expressing my opinion from having used Maxwell screens. I reserve the right as anyone else to buy and sell any product without you public personal observations or receiving your approval.

    Rick, yes I have used two different Maxwell screens on a 47 - personally I did not like it and it was counter productive on normal lenses. But I am glad that you are pleased with your purchase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Fisher View Post
    Rick, yes I have used two different Maxwell screens on a 47 - personally I did not like it and it was counter productive on normal lenses.
    Actually, I was asking if you had used a the Hopf plain ground glass screen with a 47. I assume that you have, based on the above. If so, how the heck could you see the edges well enough to know what was in the picture, let alone well enough to adjust the camera movements and check focus? I sure couldn't do that with the Sinar screen.

    Rick "who evaluates products in terms of requirements fulfilled" Denney

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    Re: My New Maxwell Screen

    OFF TOPIC: Has anyone tried making a ground glass by centering new glass on a rotating sander (ultra-fine grit) and letting the spinning action/grinding do the work? I know the patern will be random compared to a fresnel but I'm curious as to how the circular grinding pattern would work directly on the glass. It's just something oddball to try.

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