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    Re: Format for 60x75 inch Gallery Prints - 4x5 or 8x10?

    You missed the point. With extra long exposures where bright artificial light is present in a small section of the image, over exposure is inevitable. I'll have to link an example.


    Quote Originally Posted by venchka View Post
    Shakes his head..........

    One more person who thinks that bad exposure can be fixed in Photoshop.

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    Re: Format for 60x75 inch Gallery Prints - 4x5 or 8x10?

    Well, I just caught myself with my foot in my mouth, since Astia is now seemingly
    impossible to get in 8x10. But I have also often used E100G for long exposures under dim lighting with no problem other than a time correction. Have also used Portra films, so even at f/64 with an 8x10, film itself isn't the issue for stationary subjects. But as already noted, the film does have to be correctly exposed in the first place!

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    Re: Format for 60x75 inch Gallery Prints - 4x5 or 8x10?

    A. You didn't mention bright artificial lights.

    B. As Drew stated "the film does have to be correctly exposed in the first place!"

    C. Do let us know where we will be able to see this ginormous prints.
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    Re: Format for 60x75 inch Gallery Prints - 4x5 or 8x10?

    I say it'll doubtless prove easier to shoot 20x24" on three sheets of B&W film and make a tricolor Carbro print-- than it will be to get an answer that satisfies all of these conditions that seem destined (perhaps designed?) to prove the original workflow of MF digital back and stitching was superior to film for such night photography.

    Yup, I said night photography. 5 seconds on a digital back @ --what?-- probably f/8 and likely no further stopped down than f/11, at ISO 400, likely as not. So what's that 5 or 6 stops further stopped down equate to in seconds at f/64 on 8x10? 160 seconds (5 stops) or 320 seconds (6 stops) on ISO 400, whoops make that ISO 50 (-3 stops is 1280 seconds --21 minutes:20 seconds or 42m:40s) -- before even factoring in reciprocity failure? Ha! If it wasn't completely dark to begin with, by now it will be...

    Anyone else suspect we're being toyed with? This is the 4th post now from an enonymous rather than eponymous poster...

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    Re: Format for 60x75 inch Gallery Prints - 4x5 or 8x10?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ivan J. Eberle View Post
    Anyone else suspect we're being toyed with?
    Re-reading the original post, I have to say I'm starting to agree. In what universe is stitching a few frames of MF digital MORE work than shooting, developing, scanning and dustbusting 8x10?

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    Re: Format for 60x75 inch Gallery Prints - 4x5 or 8x10?

    Quote Originally Posted by bensyverson View Post
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    You will be forced into inkjet because no one (that I know of) can do 60x75" digital C prints. The machines just aren't that big..
    The Lightjets commonly installed are indeed limited to 50" rolls, but there is a machine called the Lightjet XL that can take 76".

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    Re: Format for 60x75 inch Gallery Prints - 4x5 or 8x10?

    It seems hard to fathom, if your subject matter can handle 4 second exposures, then its pretty damn still.... in which case, why mess with all this large gear, stitch, stitch, stitch....

    As for printing, high quality ink jets can produce about 2x the resolution on paper than Light Jets...this assumes the original file has this much data to to print...and there is also some efficiency losses. IMO, LJ's are outdated already... hopefully the new crop of LED printers will print at 2x the rez the current crop offer. Jobo is first with 400 dpi, but small widths...

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    Re: Format for 60x75 inch Gallery Prints - 4x5 or 8x10?

    Quote Originally Posted by don mills View Post
    QT, how large are you printing?
    Anywhere between 18" and 90", with 45" being my favored size.

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    Re: Format for 60x75 inch Gallery Prints - 4x5 or 8x10?

    Quote Originally Posted by Drew Wiley View Post
    QT- just curious, but where on earth are you obtaining inkjets sharper than Lightjet from large format files? (or alternately, from Chromira, which is admittedly a bit "grainy" even if sharper still).
    This topic has been discussed here at length more than once. Search the site, you'll find it I'm sure.

    To summarize, the majority opinion was that inkjets are the sharpest print medium currently available. So it's not just QT who thinks this.

    Bruce Watson

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    Re: Format for 60x75 inch Gallery Prints - 4x5 or 8x10?

    Good to know there are LightJets out there that print this big. (I happen to think C prints are great because the media is so comparatively cheap). As a practical matter, since we're not talking about analyzing satellite images of missile silos, 304.5 DPI resolution of a LJ oughta be sufficient resolution for a 60"x75" print. Especially since the OP specified an upper limit of 8x10. Whether it's possible to noticeably improve upon a 2283 dpi image file needed for a LJ from a 8x10 sheet of film (color negative, given this new high DR requirement), so that the higher potential res of an inkjet means anything, seems questionable.

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