Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 20

Thread: My B & W prints are dead, flat & dark . . . . Help! Please

  1. #1

    My B & W prints are dead, flat & dark . . . . Help! Please

    Hi y'all:

    I've been processing my black & white prints in my home darkroom for many years. My procedure has evolved over time but never changed in the past 10 +- years - Ilford Multigrade glossy warmtone in Zone VI developer, (Fresh, 2.5-3min. dev. time) - Indicator stop bath (30 sec.) and Kodak or Zone VI fix. (Fresh, 10 min.) Wash in Zone VI washer (20 min.) Usually no toning. The past year + - my prints are getting darker, flatter. In short - dead. Wet prints look OK. Shadows show details and highlights with some texture. I've microwaved a washed print to full dry and see no (if any) difference between a wet print and dry. So I don't think that "dry-down" effect is at play. I've tried to reduce print exposure by as much as 10% but they still look crappy. A bit lighter, but still crappy. I've tried increasing contrast, decreasing contrast, split filtering. Still crappy. BTW - My film is 4x5 Ilford HP5+. Dev in HC-110. Contact proper proof prints on Grade 2 paper look fine with a full tonal range.

    Maybe I'm just crappy and chasing the illustive silver bullet.

    (Can't post a digi print to show - Believe it or not - I'm strickly film.)

    Thanks in advance for your suggestions.

    ~Steve

  2. #2
    Octogenarian
    Join Date
    Sep 2003
    Location
    Frisco, Texas
    Posts
    3,532

    Re: My B & W prints are dead, flat & dark . . . . Help! Please

    Check your safelight.

    Also,check for light leaks in your darkroom and the possibility of stray light from your enlarger.

  3. #3

    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Posts
    1,249

    Re: My B & W prints are dead, flat & dark . . . . Help! Please

    Yes, what Gem said,
    You can test a safelight by placing a bit of your favorite paper on the easle with a coin laying on it about 5 minutes... then process as usual.
    Or maybe fogged or heat damaged paper, develop a strip without exposing it.
    Last edited by dsphotog; 15-May-2009 at 18:50.

  4. #4

    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    S.W. Wyoming
    Posts
    1,137

    Re: My B & W prints are dead, flat & dark . . . . Help! Please

    Is your paper from the same batch? Is there a noticeable difference betwen older and newer paper? The safelight is indeed a good place to start. The filter on the light can gradually become unsafe. I think, since this has progressed over a year's period, that could be the whole problem.

  5. #5

    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Posts
    1,249

    Re: My B & W prints are dead, flat & dark . . . . Help! Please

    Or developer thats oxidized.
    But since contact prints are ok...
    Perhaps its fungus quietly, slowly growing inside the lens...causng a gradual loss of contrast.
    It starts out looking like a strand of spiderweb, or a smudge inside the lens.
    I've seen it in a lot of EL Nikkors

  6. #6
    Dave Karp
    Join Date
    Dec 2001
    Location
    Los Angeles, CA
    Posts
    2,960

    Re: My B & W prints are dead, flat & dark . . . . Help! Please

    I agree, check your safelight.

    I had a similar problem, really fighting to get a good print. Went to a John Sexton workshop, and he asked me if I was fighting, and described exactly what I was going through. He said it was the safelight, and he was right. I bought a new safelight with a new filter, and darkroom work became much easier.

  7. #7

    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Birmingham UK
    Posts
    9

    Re: My B & W prints are dead, flat & dark . . . . Help! Please

    On the assumption your current flat prints look this way when up against your prints from a few years ago processed the same way, then there has to be a safelight problem.

    Have you tried printing from older negatives which you have acceptable prints of with which to compare?

  8. #8

    Join Date
    Sep 2003
    Posts
    1,545

    Re: My B & W prints are dead, flat & dark . . . . Help! Please

    It could be the safelight. It could be light contamination from another source. Is you enlarger light tight? How about your camera? Is it the same as before? Any changes in lenses that coincides with the decline in print quality? Internal flare at the film exposure stage can be problematic too.

  9. #9
    Land-Scapegrace Heroique's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    Seattle, Wash.
    Posts
    2,929

    Re: My B & W prints are dead, flat & dark . . . . Help! Please

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Feldman View Post
    The past year + - my prints are getting darker, flatter.
    This may be a key clue. If the symptoms appeared 12 months ago, and have grown progressively worse, two causes spring to my mind:

    If you're using just one enlarging lens, and it's older, perhaps it's developing more & more haze toward its center, causing "flatter" prints. (Or maybe it's collecting dust on the top end that faces up.) Also, did you mean all your contact prints are okay? If so, this would suggest a misbehaving enlarging lens.

    Another cause may be expired paper, which is becoming more & more fogged in appearance over 12 months. That's happened to me. (I don't think paper "keeps" as well as film following its expiration date, even when properly stored.) Do your boxes of Ilford MG paper display expiration dates? How long have you had them?

  10. #10
    おせわに なります! Andrew O'Neill's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2003
    Location
    Coquitlam, BC, Canada, eh!
    Posts
    5,150

    Re: My B & W prints are dead, flat & dark . . . . Help! Please

    You are using a VC Paper...what exposure system are you using on your enlarger? Dichroic filters do fade over time. Gel filters for above and below the lens fade too. Could this be your problem?

Similar Threads

  1. Ansel Adams Fakes
    By Jim_5508 in forum Announcements
    Replies: 34
    Last Post: 29-May-2005, 21:16
  2. drying fiber prints at home
    By Y. Takeuchi in forum Darkroom: Film, Processing & Printing
    Replies: 18
    Last Post: 23-Mar-2005, 09:00
  3. What is AZO and where kin I find info about it.
    By Mark_3632 in forum Darkroom: Film, Processing & Printing
    Replies: 40
    Last Post: 8-Nov-2003, 14:37
  4. Mounting Digital Prints to Backing Board
    By chris jordan in forum Digital Hardware
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 11-Dec-2001, 22:00
  5. Dark spots on prints caused by holes on emulsion
    By Dennis L. Timmerman in forum Darkroom: Film, Processing & Printing
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 17-Nov-2000, 06:42

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •