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    Re: Max Pyro by Gordon Hutchings

    "Max Pyro"...now there's a name for a new comic strip or cool retro T-shirt
    "I invent nothing, I rediscover"
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    Re: Max Pyro by Gordon Hutchings

    Quote Originally Posted by matthew blais View Post
    "Max Pyro"...now there's a name for a new comic strip or cool retro T-shirt
    Porno for Pyro= long scale porno?

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    Quote Originally Posted by domenico Foschi View Post
    Porno for Pyro= long scale porno?
    A wee bit off topic, and off rocker. Damn pyromaniacs!

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    Re: Max Pyro by Gordon Hutchings

    Quote Originally Posted by chilihead View Post
    Actually Harold Leban"s Rollo Pyro still beats PMK in every way. Even Mr. Hutchings sensed that.
    When creating the original ABC+Pyro formula (renamed by B&S to RolloPyro) I based on PMK that I still find as the best Pyro formula for projection negatives. But when I used it on HP5+ film (8x10" on Jobo) for platinum negatives I found some characteristics too weak for my taste. So I did some minor modifications in rising the concentration and adding ascorbic acid for its hyperadditive effect.
    What I got that way was better film speed, better densities, better aerial-oxidation stability and better staining with minimum base fog. Now I found it better working for my purpose. I probably made a mistake in renaming it to ABC+Pyro instead of keeping its origin and saying PMK+ or AdvancedPMK - which was my working title for it.

    It seems if Mr. Hutchings packed similar characteristics into the new formula - we´ll see.
    One who knows the ABC+/Rollo formula best is my dear friend Carl Weese who did the main job in testing and evaluating the formula - thank you Carl!

    I´ve made some new innovations if someone is interested:

    1. FerA.. a FerrousAscorbat film developer - it´s simple, sharp, straight and non poisonous.

    2. Ferric-oxa-citrat..a new sensitizer for alternative ferric processes like platinum/palladium, kallitype, cyanotype, etc.. a chemical chimera of Ferric-oxalate and Ferric-citrate which keeps the good characteristics from both sides: speed, stability, solubility , d-max increase - it´s still in a testing phase but I´m curious if some of the alt-photo people want´s to give it a try (with a free sample).

    Harald

    just a few examples: http://www.faps.sk/f_index.php?idmember=7

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    Re: Max Pyro by Gordon Hutchings

    HP5+ does have a few unusual characteristics related to pyro. The advantages of this
    film include the "watercolor" grain effect and strong edge effect optimized by Pyro
    staining. But to kick the film curve off the toe and obtain the wonderful expanded
    midtones this film is capable of, the stain is going to build excessively, and the highlights might not reproduce optimally. I solved this problem in many cases simply
    by resorting to unsharp masking, which I routinely do in color work, or by switching to
    a film with a longer straight line. But it is still one of my favorite films for 8x10, so I'd
    always be interested in a new tweak to simply printing, if in fact this applies to
    enlargement work. Contact printers face a somewhat different scenario.

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    Re: Max Pyro by Gordon Hutchings

    "... just a few examples: http://www.faps.sk/f_index.php?idmember=7"

    Which of those images, are made with your developer, and which are Pt/Pd prints ?

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    Re: Max Pyro by Gordon Hutchings

    But to kick the film curve off the toe and obtain the wonderful expanded
    midtones this film is capable of, the stain is going to build excessively, and the highlights might not reproduce optimally.
    A good reason to use Pyrocat-HD instead of PMK, IMO.

    Don Bryant

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    Re: Max Pyro by Gordon Hutchings

    I try to use the slowest film I can get away as I get the shadow/midtone separation is already built into the film. Of course you have touchy highlights with slower film but thats when the Pyro does its magic and tames them nicely.

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    Re: Max Pyro by Gordon Hutchings

    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Lee View Post
    ".. http://www.faps.sk/f_index.php?idmember=7"

    Which of those images, are made with your developer, and which are Pt/Pd prints ?
    The b&w images are printed either in Pt/Pd or enlarged on silvergelatine paper. All of the negatives are developed in ABC+/Rollo Pyro.....but I´m afraid one cannot imagine this in the web...
    Harald

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    Re: Max Pyro by Gordon Hutchings

    I did try Pyrocat HD once but didn't like either the grain structure of the general
    tonal range of the print as well as PMK. Obviously, this is quite subjective and I know
    several people who prefer Pyrocat. A lot might have to do with the quality of the
    enlarger light. For silver gelatin printing I typically use a very powerful Aristo head with
    blue-green light, which seemingly responds better to the yellowish stain of PMK than
    to the brownish stain of Pyrocat. Someday I'll have to compare results using one of
    my color enlargers.

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