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    Re: Paper developers

    I am not familiar with the Lauder print developer, but if it is "like" Dektol, it should be a good standard developer. (Formulating a basic MQ or PQ print developer is not difficult, so I would imagine it would be more than adequate for basic developing). I would recommend that you get to know it well before doing a lot of switching around.

    As far as using Selectol Soft or another soft-working developer in addition to the standard, higher-contrast developer goes, you would only need such split-development techniques if you need to achieve an intermediate paper grade on graded paper or if you print with VC paper and filters. However, if you have a color head or some other kind of continuously variable light source, you can simply "dial in" the intermediate contrast grades.

    I use graded paper almost exclusively and use the Hard/Soft developer combination often. I find that having two trays works better than mixing the two as some recommend (this latter is similar to the Beer's variable contrast developer, which you might research).

    I find that I can get many different nuances of contrast by varying the time the print is in the different developers: a soft-working developer by itself can be just the thing, as can using just the harder developer. However, if an intermediate contrast is desired, split the developing time between the soft and hard developers. Always use the softer developer first to prevent contamination and optimize the contrast control.

    I usually start with splitting a three-minute developing time in half and adjust from there. If more contrast is needed, the print spends less time in the soft developer and more in the hard. There are infinite variations on this, and it is a good tool for fine-tuning contrast. I find that if I use both both developers on a print that the minimum time in either should be longer than 30 seconds with agitation to prevent mottling. Again, you really don't need to do this if you have a continuously variable light source.

    When I worked in a public darkroom, I found it fairly easy to mix up a small amount of Selectol Soft or Ansco 120 in a separate tray and work as above, using my personal soft developer and the community standard developer.

    As far as fixer bleaching your highlights goes: any fix used properly will not bleach the highlights. Acid fixes can bleach highlights with extreme overfixing. If your fixer is visibly affecting the highlights, check you dilutions and times and adjust accordingly (again, basic fixers are not hard to formulate, so I doubt that the chemicals themselves are at fault). TF-4 is a good product, but I found it to be more expensive and a bit smellier than the normal, non-hardening rapid fixer I use (Ilford Hypam or Rapid Fix at print strength, two-baths for 2 minutes in each bath for fiber-base prints. I don't like the economy or the rapid exhaustion of the fixer with the stronger dilutions recommended by Ilford.)

    Many use different developers to subtly change the tone of the print, others are searching for that "deep black," etc. I have found, however, that a clean-working MQ or PQ print developer will deliver all the density a paper has to offer as well as give a good tonal range as long as the negative is tailored to the process.

    As far as image tone goes, this is where you may want to experiment some with different developers. That said, I find that the papers themselves have more and greater variations in tone than the developer usually lends, plus, I tone my prints. For me, finding a paper that tones to a color and contrast I like is more important than the tone the developer itself gives. (An aside here: softer developers are usually "warmer" than standard ones since most contain only Metol as the developing agent. You will see the difference if you try controlling contrast with a combination of soft and hard developers.) I have found that some glycin developers prevent or hinder the toning of prints in selenium.

    Hope that the above helps a bit.

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    Re: Paper developers

    I've used amidol, ansco 120, and ansco 130 pretty extensively. my favorite has been 2-tray development with 120 and 130, when using graded chlorobromide papers (like fortezo). on these papers you can get a whole range of contrasts and curves by changing development. amidol produced a different image color and slightly richer blacks ... so slight that with most images it made no significant difference. not enough to justify the expense, toxicity, staining, short tray life, etc.

    With modern variable contrast papers like MG, i've found that changes in paper development have a much, much smaller effect. it's worth testing, but i doubt amidol would be worth it with this paper. I'd start with testing changes in dilution, and move on from there.

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    Re: Paper developers

    I too doubt that exotic developers are going to make a noticable difference using MG IV. This stuff is pretty set in term of what you can do to manipulate the subtle stuff.

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    Re: Paper developers

    Amidol's lovely, but the cost per tray is gruesome. See Michael Smith's formula if you're interested. Easy to mix and long-lasting.

    Dektol's consistently very good, and a "Best Buy." Buy gallon packets, mix stock and decant into 16 oz plastic bottles, leaving no air. One bottle fits in the backpack and diluted 1:2 makes a good 8x10 trayful of working solution for a printing session. Small bottles of stock last practically forever.

    Ansco 130 is warm, wonderful, and lasts forever in the tray, making it affordable. I used to pour working solution back in the bottle and reuse it next session. I had some stock solution in a plastic bottle for three years, and it was still wonderful when I used it. No air in that bottle during that long storage, by the way. Finally, experiment with dilutions - is 1:3 that much different than the recommended 1:1? If not, it becomes even less expensive per-tray.

    I'm deliberately steering you towards the less expensive stuff for a student's budget. That said, Dektol's the house favorite here. Amidol for Azo.
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    Re: Paper developers

    Quote Originally Posted by jwarren116 View Post
    Lauder is an acid fix, and I don't over fix. I'm pretty careful with my timing. I'm pretty sure our lab tech actually adds hardener to the fix. That might be the culprit?
    I guess it's academic if you're switching fixers and have moved to solve the issue. Presuming you end up with no more issues with bleaching in highlights, why not take the next step and just buy component chemicals, and mix your own pring developers?

    These five: metol, hydroquinone, sodium sulfite, sodium carbonate, and potassium bromide are all you need to create a huge range of formulas. You could go a lifetime trying out the possibilities of those.


    The next round of aquisitions - since you will be motivated to try more - should maybe be aimed at particular developers since the less standard chemicals are legion.

    C

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    Re: Paper developers

    Quote Originally Posted by CG View Post
    These five: metol, hydroquinone, sodium sulfite, sodium carbonate, and potassium bromide are all you need to create a huge range of formulas. You could go a lifetime trying out the possibilities of those.
    That's true.

    The annoying flipside of this is that among off-the-shelf formulas there are dozens under different names and by different manufacturers that are practically identical. So you can waste a lot of time testing clones against each other and not getting anywhere!

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    Re: Paper developers

    Working in a common use DR is always a challenge. Quite honestly, you never know where the issues lie, simply due to the fact that you do not have control over the environment. Not that you would be a problem, but there are just too many opportunities for contamination throughout the process.

    There are no "silver bullet" soups. Most any developer commercially available today is going to work well, if chosen for the appropriate purpose. That being said, I am a big fan of Ansco 130. I like the results produced by glycin. I mix it myself and stock the necessary chemicals, so I am not subject to the whims of the market and/or the diminishing selection of retailers. I also occasionally use Amidol, mostly with fixed grade papers.

    Interestingly, a few years back, I hosted a Per Volquartz printing workshop in my DR. We tested several developers, including Ansco 130 and Amidol, with a variety of papers available at the time, (Oh...the good ol' days!), including Azo. Quite honestly everyone's favorite two soups were the Ansco and the Amidol. There was virtually no difference in the blacks and a bit of difference in the tonal range, that is until selenium toning. After toning there really was no difference on the VC papers and it was most difficult to see any differences on the fixed grade.

    If you have the luxury of using your own chemicals in the common DR, I would encourage finding those that you enjoy and sticking with them until you know their characteristics intimately and are unconsciously competent in their use.

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    Re: Paper developers

    Dektol or its homebrew equivalent, D-72 both work very well with MGIV.
    I've not tried Lauder's papre dev but, I love thier rapid fixer. It's the only fixer I use now.

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    Re: Paper developers

    Quote Originally Posted by paulr View Post
    ....among off-the-shelf formulas there are dozens under different names and by different manufacturers that are practically identical. So you can waste a lot of time testing clones against each other and not getting anywhere!
    All the more reason to make up one's own!

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    Re: Paper developers

    It's easy to overthink print developers IMHO. Currently I'm using P20 which is extremely consistent, fairly cheap, and convenient to mix.

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