Depressing Statement re Film

[Jorge Gasteazoro]

The lab I mentioned makes "hand prints" - they use a HUGE horizontal enlarger.

"This case" referred to Robert Burley, whose text and pictures set off this whole thread.

"Chromogenic print" usually refers to the RA-4 process for paper, not C-41 which is a film negative process.

hmmmm...so these are prints from slides, from an enlarger? this does not make sense....you say the make prints from enlargers, yet they state the final print is from a light jet, which from what I understand requires a digital file.... so which is it?

[Ole Tjugen]

hmmmm...so these are prints from slides, from an enlarger? this does not make sense....you say the make prints from enlargers, yet they state the final print is from a light jet, which from what I understand requires a digital file.... so which is it?

You misunderstand. I'm talking about two different labs.

One is Forstöringsateljeen in Sweden, which makes prints with enlargers, from negatives or slides of any size up to 20x24".

The other one is whichever lab Robert Burley uses, where they use a digital step to print on RA-4 paper with coloured lasers.

[Jorge Gasteazoro]

You misunderstand. I'm talking about two different labs.

One is Forstöringsateljeen in Sweden, which makes prints with enlargers, from negatives or slides of any size up to 20x24".

The other one is whichever lab Robert Burley uses, where they use a digital step to print on RA-4 paper with coloured lasers.

YOu were not clear that these were two different labs. It is great to know there are still labs which make real prints.....

[paulr]

Duggal in NYC will print black and white up to 50x144" and color up to 72x144" (that's 365cm wide). With an enlarger.

And all these accusations of cowardice. I'm really curious about someone might demonstrate bravery in an online forum.

[Natasa Stojsic]

Come on guys.......
Time Out

[Richard K.]

Thanks to all who responded so positively to the original thread concern. It seems that film is alive for now and that we have a passionate bunch of practitioners as well. I'm turning 60 (no idea how that happened!) next month and I never dreamed that I would outlive film, but with any luck, maybe I won't ...er...
BTW I've employed the old accepted time tested cure for this kind of depression and have decided to order a full-plate Ebony...

[Rob_5419]

BTW I've employed the old accepted time tested cure for this kind of depression and have decided to order a full-plate Ebony...

Errrr Richard - look at what you've done by raising this thread!

Now the rest of us who can't afford a whole plate Ebony will just quietly melt away and slit our wrists.....

[Richard K.]

An addendum....
It occurs to me that perhaps most of us passionate supporters of film are perhaps older rather than younger and that maybe film's demise may be concurrent with ours. There just doesn't seem to be the same passionate support in the younger generation. Why, I bet that there's people under 25 who have never experienced the brilliance and eye-popping impact of a 35mm slide show (not to mention the occasionally attendant terminal boredom!). In watching my son's baseball games, I have yet to see a parent using a FILM camera and the photos taken are typically shared by e-mail or in blogs. Nothing you can put on a wall. Displaying them on your 1080p HD plasma is cool and all but not quite the same. What bothers me is that these parents and especially their kids will probably never use film because they have learned to appreciate photography in a different way. If younger people do not see the beauty of the traditional medium and its aesthetic potential, they won't demand it and it WILL die.

[Richard K.]

Errrr Richard - look at what you've done by raising this thread!

Now the rest of us who can't afford a whole plate Ebony will just quietly melt away and slit our wrists.....

Rob, I really can't afford it either but I've managed to rationalize it beautifully by invoking a convoluted argument involving Daguerre, communion with past masters, as well as poetic and cosmic forces of fate and nature...

[C. D. Keth]

An addendum....
It occurs to me that perhaps most of us passionate supporters of film are perhaps older rather than younger and that maybe film's demise may be concurrent with ours.

I'm 22. My girlfriend is 22 and is interested in this stuff. I know a few people from school about my age who shoot 8x10 on a regular basis. I know one guy who is 25 now that shoots 16x20 regularly. He actually works an extra job, not so he can pay his rent or for his car, but so he can shoot ultra large format.

It's hitting the younger generations. I know just as many old guys (no offense) who recently bought a DSLR. My Dad is one of them.