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    Re: Print Presale Announcement

    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Lockrey View Post
    What's wrong with inkjets? They'll out last cibiachrome or silver for that matter..
    Really? Prove it. Show me an inkjet print that is over 100 years old. Ok, how about 50? Didnt think so, how about 20? Nope cant either.

    Inkjets will not out live silver gelatin and that is a fact.

    I really hope you were only joking with your statement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kjsphotography View Post
    Really? Prove it. Show me an inkjet print that is over 100 years old. Ok, how about 50? Didnt think so, how about 20? Nope cant either.

    Inkjets will not out live silver gelatin and that is a fact.

    I really hope you were only joking with your statement.
    These things are measurable and using a little known subject called mathmatics can be interpolated out to 100-200 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by domenico Foschi View Post
    Great work, David,
    too bad they are not albumen prints.
    Oh I really like albumen prints too. Photography went down hill after that method fell out of favor. Along with glass plates and stereo images.
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    Oiy.

    Regards, Art. (Some of you guys make me laugh silly)

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    Re: Print Presale Announcement

    I have no darkroom and a couple of the originals are digital anyway, so silver prints are not an option. Besides, I like inkjet prints. The look I can get with them complements my work. These will be Ultrachrome K3 prints on archival paper - about as stable as you're going to get. If people don't like that they're inkjets, they don't have to buy them, it's that simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Lockrey View Post
    These things are measurable and using a little known subject called mathmatics can be interpolated out to 100-200 years.
    Interpolations are not proofs but educated guesses. Given the many variables involved when displaying photographs it is impossibly to state with a 100% certainty that the prints will last this long without fading.


    People, I beleive Art was being sarcastic, as I understand it he also does ink jet prints.

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    Re: Print Presale Announcement

    Quote Originally Posted by kjsphotography View Post

    Inkjets will not out live silver gelatin and that is a fact.
    It's not, and neither is the opposite statement. The person who is considered most authoritative on print permanence states that inkjet would last longer. He may be right or wrong, and that's everyone's choice to trust him, or to trust other fellow photographers. Jorge is correct that it is not mathematics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Lockrey View Post
    These things are measurable and using a little known subject called mathmatics can be interpolated out to 100-200 years.
    And the sheep continue to follow blindly...

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    Re: Print Presale Announcement

    Kevin -

    I love silver prints. I dislike monochrome inkjets. But if you want the "truth", it's that we have no idea how long today's silver prints, using today's emulsions coated on today's paper bases, are going to last, and whether they'll last longer than the most stable of today's monochrome inkjet prints. The fact that we have really old silver prints tells us nothing much, both because we don't know what survival fraction that represents and because today's prints aren't being made on yesterday's papers.

    I print on silver because I prefer the way my pictures look on silver. I think everybody else should print on the materials that best suit their taste. David's choice for his work is as legitimate as any other.
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    Re: Print Presale Announcement

    Quote Originally Posted by kjsphotography View Post
    Really? Prove it. Show me an inkjet print that is over 100 years old. Ok, how about 50? Didnt think so, how about 20? Nope cant either.

    Inkjets will not out live silver gelatin and that is a fact.

    I really hope you were only joking with your statement.
    I can show you a hell of a lot of silver gelatin, albumen and other prints that are 50 or 100 or so years old - and are basically a big pile of powder
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