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    Re: Don't Tell The Wife!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jorge Gasteazoro View Post
    Jesus.....some guy just started using a LF camera, is exited about his results and wants to share with us his recent success, and some of you &$&%$ can't wait to put him down. I would have been proud to have done just as well with my first few negatives! And I suspect those of you could not wait to slam this guy could not even do as well even after years.... Yes, the composition could have been better, yes the pose could have been less akward....but for someone just starting this shows negatives well exposed, which I think it is what he wanted to show us.

    PS... r.e. why don't YOU shows your work, which I am sure it is not schtick....maybe we can learn something.
    I've got to agree with Jorge here. These are a very good first pair of LF photographs. You should feel good about them and proud of them.

    I said the other day on another site that I would not trade all of the C-prints in the world for a single Weston (Edward, Brett or Cole), Strand, Bravo, or Adams, or Arbus. The same goes for most of the post-modernist photography out there. I was born in 1964, but my photographic affinity tends toward the Modern rather than the post-modern. I look at photos from the f:64 exhibit of more than 70 years ago and I see art and beauty and life (even in a death). I look at much of post-modern photography and I see someone screaming "LOOK AT ME. I'M DIFFERENT. LOOK AT ME."

    You did well. Good technical mastery. Pretty good composition. And, you stood up to some of the crap of this topic with incredible poise. Good Job.

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    Re: Don't Tell The Wife!

    Quote Originally Posted by Nick Wood View Post
    At last... it's all come together.

    The used Wista, lupe and Combiplan tank turned up; went to Scotland last week; processed some negs last night; Epson 4990 turned up today.

    Here are two negs for appraisal - yes, it's my wife under the waterfall.

    I obviously have much to learn about this scanning stuff - how do you get full frame (with border, notches etc.)?

    Can't wait now to get the negs into the Beseler - something I understand a bit better and can control.

    Be honest... but not too honest (about the negs, that is)!

    My thanks to all of you who have helped so far via this wonderful forum.
    I think you are a bit too modest.
    Refereshingly original...beautiful images, and a beautiful wife.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r.e. View Post
    I figure that riooso is right. If not, this is a tall order. What happens here is that people either say nothing or engage in a form of mutual congratulation. There is no such thing as actual criticism, even when asked for.

    So I'm going to make an exception. Only because you asked. In my opinion, educated or not, the first photograph is the worst kind of kitsch. The second photograph evokes the response, who cares?

    OK, I said what I think. I didn't do it to insult you, I did it because you asked, and out of a rare, for this site, expression of honesty. I did it because I think that it might be nice to be able to post photographs here and get an honest response. Have you noticed that not a single person who has responded to this thread, thus far, has actually said anything about the photographs? If I don't bother posting photographs of my own, it is in part because the usual routine here is that people post stuff that ranges from bad to fair, and people either say nothing or do oohs and aahs about photographs that aren't worth a glance, let alone a second look. As far as I can figure out, this site is one of the most technically proficient of the photographic fora, but one of the most aesthetically deficient. The basic idea seems to be, if it is large format, it is by definition good, even if it looks basically like just a big snapshot, devoid of content or form, that could just as easily have been made by a 12 year old 40 years ago with a Kodak Brownie or yesterday with a digital point and shoot. The really funny thing is this. The people who make these big negative photographs that have no content then engage in religious wars about whether photographers who use these big negatives to make big prints are any good, especially if said photographers, such as Ed Burtynsky, actually have customers or, like Jeff Wall, not only have customers, but do something that doesn't look like Ansel Adams. Evidently, the basic idea, if you make big negatives, is to make small prints. Or better yet, contacts, which puts one in what is evidently an exculsive club of true artists. And meanwhile, there is nothing going on on this site that consitutes criticism, unless one is into the mentality of a mutual admiration society.

    By the way, your kitsch is actually progress compared to a 2007 19th century Julia Margaret Cameron or 20th century Ansel Adams or Paul Strand knockoff, which are the stock in trade of this site. There are a zillion of those in the archive to your one piece of kitsch. So your photograph is actually special. That said, my personal view is that there's more interesting low-def cell phone video on YouTube.

    I fully expect that I shall now get jumped on. That's cool.
    I could not agree more with the vast majority of what you wrote. You put it far more succinctly than I might have. The only thing I disagree with is the estimation of these images. Perhaps it is because I am so sick and tired of Half Dome, cala lillies, and big, ugly, poorly exposed images of banality personified that these images are refreshing. It is not the same old thing, and no, merit is not deserved simply because of that. I just like these images. Perhaps this topic should constitute another thread, if I may be so bold...

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    Quote Originally Posted by George Kara View Post
    My thoughts:

    The technical quality of the photo is acceptable. The issue has more to do with composition. Some cropping may generate a more interesting image. Obviously the figure is the primary point of interest. Forgive me for taking liberty with your shot.

    I never listen to those who insist cropping is somehow inferior. Its just not true.

    The craft is in taking an acceptable shot. The art is in composition and vibe.
    Hmmm....perhaps more "art" should have been implemented in the unauthorized butchering of this image.

    "Less art and more matter...", my dear Polonius :-)

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    Re: Don't Tell The Wife!

    Cobalt

    Is there a reason you mention your hatred of cala lillies and half dome photos in every post? Most all your comments are negative and insulting. Please post about something that you love - be it one of you photos, paintings, writings.

    Its OK to have a chip on your shoulder, Im just tired of looking at it.

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    Most all your comments are negative and insulting
    As are many others on this forum. I have to say there is less community here than many other forums I have been part of (what can I say I'm a computer geek with things that other have).

    Like all art, it is subjective. If you don't like it don't make people feel like they have done you an injustice. The fact there are people taking part means we are here.

    It's the same reaction with people on this forum over technical knowledge. Pose a question that is not put perfectly people attack with quite rude or sometimes abusive comments.

    I honestly wanted to know where the waterfall was and a running joke continued in a good way. The attacks though are unnsecessary and rude. I signed up here to learn some stuff, post pictures and hopefully further myself in a community that I could possibly contribute to.
    People who have signed up to feed a desire to attack others are no worse than the kind of S**t who go out looking for fights or knowingly attacking others.

    Oh and finally great first attempt, better than my developer streaked sheets. I would have cropped a bit tighter but great all the same.

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    A little OT, but my wife's birthday is today , she's 53, Next year when she's 54 I'll trade her in for a couple of 27 year-olds.
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    Re: Don't Tell The Wife!

    Nick,
    I could not have imagined that this thread would get so visceral. I am fairly new to this forum and I must say that most of the members here are very helpful and got me going in LF. You did well and keep experimenting and you will find your "eye". It is really exciting to get going in LF and I share your enthusiasm. I have seen some the work and read a lot of the threads by these guys and every once in a while they just go "OFF". I look at it like a family, in that we all really like each other but some of these guys are just so brilliant that they get "spurious electrical storms in the brains". Lighten up You All!

    Richard Adams

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    Re: Don't Tell The Wife!

    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Lockrey View Post
    A little OT, but my wife's birthday is today , she's 53, Next year when she's 54 I'll trade her in for a couple of 27 year-olds.
    A little further OT...
    When my wife turned forty, I made a wise-crack about trading her in for two twenties. In her usual dry-humor slam, she remarked:
    "Honey, you aren't wired for 220. You just barely wired for 140. At 220, you would just short out and burn up." That was 20 years ago. Now, like I told someone else, if I get one un-shucked and it doesn't look like a Shar-Pei puppy, I think I got a hot one.

    On topic. Photos look good. I like the scenic shot, with or without the wife. (Kudos for getting her to pose, and then to let you post on here. She must love you a LOT) Damn good for starting out. Wish mine (pics) looked that good NOW. IMO, cropping would not help anything. I like the full-length of the falls and the trees. Very different, but I like the different. As example, Ash has some pics posted elsewhere, and one that I personally really like is streaked and stained. Most would have trashed it. Given the person and the attire, and the look of the shot, I thought it would make a fantastic near-life-size print. Art. Not snapshot. Different is good. Like others have stated, you can get online or anywhere else and see 9 gazillion pics that are all alike. But why would you want to? An instructor told me once, that some of the best pics they had ever seen, were mistakes. I agree. I think your only mistake was posting it here and asking for constructive criticism.

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    Re: Don't Tell The Wife!

    Quote Originally Posted by George Kara View Post
    Cobalt

    Is there a reason you mention your hatred of cala lillies and half dome photos in every post? Most all your comments are negative and insulting. Please post about something that you love - be it one of you photos, paintings, writings.

    Its OK to have a chip on your shoulder, Im just tired of looking at it.
    Then don't look.

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