Coca-Cola at Fine-Wine Prices?

[JW Dewdney]

Yeah - well... my point is that some of the greatest artists and composers in the world had their work spoken of in similar tones at one point or another (let's look at Tchaikovsky, for example - people used to RIOT at his concerts because they thought it was so bad!). Some people are just ahead of their time - and those that are, sell work at high prices.

But to me, comments like this just smack of some pretty DEEP provincialism. It sounds ignorant and petty. It's uncalled for and I think people saying such things grandstand their own ignorance and look ridiculous.

I say - "if you don't understand it - don't judge it!". Perhaps one of the people making such judgements would care to give us a critique about representation and photography, and PRECISELY what the context/meaning of this photograph actually IS?

Anyway- very few individuals buy his work - the ones that do, are usually euro art collectors with good means. And I'm sure they buy as investment (well- anybody collecting art does). What about THIS one?

http://www.theage.com.au/news/entert...162322316.html

Pricing is determined by what someone's willing to pay for it on the art market. It certainly must have value to SOMEONE, right? Houses sell for a LOT more than that - why don't you get all upset about that?? Or the cost of a ferrari - or a hummer? Surely - paying over $100K for a car for someone to drive around is far more outrageous for you, morally speaking than a cultural project like this..??

As for the microsoft observation - well, I don't know specifically what work you're talking about - but DID hear that Billy Bob Gates had the works of 'the masters' digitized and sequentially displayed on plasma screens around his home. To me - I can think of no greater testament to absoulute philistinism.

[Jorge Gasteazoro]

Yeah - well... my point is that some of the greatest artists and composers in the world had their work spoken of in similar tones at one point or another (let's look at Tchaikovsky, for example - people used to RIOT at his concerts because they thought it was so bad!). Some people are just ahead of their time - and those that are, sell work at high prices.

Yeah well, those geniouses come once in a blue moon, I really doubt this guy is one of them, or ahead of his time. Look at the work of Burtinsky et al..... same kind of thing with different themes. What you call provicialism could also be called honesty...there is nothing wrong with saying, "that looks like crap to me"....even if it does not to others.

OTOH, you gotta hand it to the guy, he is laughing all the way to the bank while we are here bitching about his crap...

[JW Dewdney]

... and you're among the worst of 'em Jorge!
(i.e. making uninformed and myopic judgements)...

I doubt the artist sees much of the money. Guys - you should just stop thinking of it as photography. Because it's not. Not in the sense that you understand it. Maybe that would make things make more sense to you.

[Jorge Gasteazoro]

... and you're among the worst of 'em Jorge!
(i.e. being opinionated about things you know nothing about)...

Ah, I see. I suppose you do because you can "appreciate" the crappy shot.....just shows how much YOU know...

I doubt the artist sees much of the money. Guys - you should just stop thinking of it as photography. Because it's not. Not in the sense that you know it. Maybe that would make things make more sense to you.

It does not, if it is not photography, what is then? Enlighten us oh great one!

[JW Dewdney]

Ah, I see. I suppose you do because you can "appreciate" the crappy shot.....just shows how much YOU know...

I modified my comment slightly from when you paraphrased it Jorge.

But to respond fairly to your comment; well ... yes, sure Jorge. If you want to take that as evidence for my ineptitude - then, I say - you go right along and think what you want to think. It's what you do best. Don't let me get in your way.

I'm not saying I'm necessarily INTO it. I've never seen it before.. I'm not a exactly a huge fan of his. But I think that he puts an INCREDIBLE amount of work, thought, consideration and sheer effort into each of his pictures. FAR more than you, Jorge, or anyone on this forum ever would, or could. And for that, sure - I respect him.

It's not really work that you can really 'get' just by giving it a quick look. The more effort you put into it - the more it rewards, to a point. Hence my defending the work.

[Jorge Gasteazoro]

I modified my comment slightly from when you paraphrased it Jorge.

But to respond fairly to your comment; well ... yes, sure Jorge. If you want to take that as evidence for my ineptitude - then, I say - you go right along and think what you want to think. It's what you do best. Don't let me get in your way.

I'm not saying I'm necessarily INTO it. I've never seen it before.. I'm not a exactly a huge fan of his. But I think that he puts an INCREDIBLE amount of work, thought, consideration and sheer effort into each of his pictures. FAR more than you, Jorge, or anyone on this forum ever would, or could. And for that, sure - I respect him.

It's not really work that you can really 'get' just by giving it a quick look. The more effort you put into it - the more it rewards, to a point. Hence my defending the work.

Trust me, it would take a much better photographer than you to get in my way of thinking, but moving along.....you are kidding with the INCREDIBLE thing you say right?.....here you go...took all of one minute to make....wow!

[Brian Ellis]

Some people have way more money than they need. The artistic concept is knowing who they are, where to find them, and what sort of foolishness will bring out the checkbook.

[Jorge Gasteazoro]

Some people have way more money than they need. The artistic concept is knowing who they are, where to find them, and what sort of foolishness will bring out the checkbook.

LOL....yeah Brian, we have to admit there is some element of envy here.... not about the photography though.....

[JW Dewdney]

Trust me, it would take a much better photographer than you to get in my way of thinking, but moving along.....you are kidding with the INCREDIBLE thing you say right?.....here you go...took all of one minute to make....wow!

Wow. Jorge! What a genius. You're absoulutely BRILLIANT!!
That's like saying you can write the same sentence written by william shakespeare (which, I'm sure you could!). But it would only be you copying, once again. There wouldn't be the same meaning to the words at all - there would be NO larger context for it... and most tellingly... you are only looking at it in the most superficial way imaginable, and judging it on those terms.

i.e. - you don't get it. Clearly you're not capable of doing so. So just 'let it go'...! It's O-KAY. (not saying YOU, Jorge - just part of my illustration - in case it gets misconstrued)


It reminds me of a joke.
Q: what's the difference between modernism and postmodernism?
A: with modernism - you say "my six year old can do that", and with post-modernism you say "my twenty-six year old can do that".

[Jorge Gasteazoro]

you are only looking at it in the most superficial way imaginable

Ah I see, you are soooo deep and intellectual that the rest of us don't get it huh?...typical BS. Have you stop to think that it is not that I don't get it, but that it is you who are full of it?..... Apparently those who do not agree with your "zen" like view of photography are close minded and opinionated.....or it could be that we are not easily fooled.....unlike some others who seem to "see" the deeper meaning...

PS. Being that you think the wash cloth shot is BRILLIANT.... your sarcasm has little effect..