What is a Giclée print?

[roteague]

Which is exactly the reason that people dress up their ink jet prints with a "fancy" name to disguise their origins. It isn't about the technology, how the technology has changed, or even how good the technology is. It's about motive; the motive being to convince people that a print isn't what it really is.

Simply incorrect in my experience

They do this because they know that the majority of people don't consider "ink jet" to be fine art, where they do consider "silver" (or other types of prints) as fine art. Computer technology isn't considered fine art; it is something in your office or your living room - to many people.

Again essentially incorrect ("most people" aren't usually the arbiters of what is or isn't art - in which case, Kincaid and his Giclees really are the pinnacle of fine art) - the Met, MoMA, Tate, National Gallery of Canada, SFMoMA and just about institution you can think of has no problem considering inkjet prints as fine art. And if people base their understanding of whether something is "fine art" or not based on the materials, they apparently have little understanding of art to begin with - so the point is really moot.

Quite obviously, you haven't been to many local art shows or local galleries.

[robc]

Finally, why don't users of Ilfochrome materials call their works Silver Dye Bleach Prints?

because everyone who is interested enough, knows what ilfochrome or cibachrome is.

They don't know what ultrachrome is because the inks change so frequently they could be looking anything. If you are going to say ultrachrome you should say `Epson ultrachrome K3 inks 2006` so at least people know. But that begs the question whether they are really that interested in the specific inkset. Do painters label their work with the make of the oils they use? No they they just the generic term for the medium, i.e. `Oil painting`. But photographers seem to be unhappy about using the generic `inkjet print`. Why?

[tim atherton]

because everyone who is interested enough, knows what ilfochrome or cibachrome is.

But did people know what they were when they had only been out for 3 or 5 years? I've seen enough photographers blurbs about "Cibachrome prints are the most archival colour process... etc etc" over the years because they had to describe the process

So Ultrachromes have been out for a bout 4 or 5 years. Therefore if users keep calling their work Ultrachromes for say another 5, presumably enough people will know by then what an Ultrachrome is and it will be just fine as a term. Logically, if you use a term for long enough it becomes acceptable?

Do painters label their work with the make of the oils they use? No they they just the generic term for the medium, i.e. `Oil painting`. But photographers seem to be unhappy about using the generic `inkjet print`. Why?

But most photographers (or painters) don't in general (there are exceptions) use terms which describe the process, but rather the materials.

They don't say "brush or palette-knife painted oil paining" or "Chinese Brush painted watercolor" or "enlarger/light projected C-Print"

so why not Pigment Ink Print for example? - describes everything quite clearly? As clearly as Silver Gelatin or Platinum Print say. And nowhere near as disingenuous as say "Chromogenic Dye Coupler Print"

Or as I mentioned, just plain Ink Print - your can't get more simply descriptive than that

[tim atherton]

"Quite obviously, you haven't been to many local art shows or local galleries."

what's referred to as the "fine art" market - no, not that much apart from the odd wander through. Different market. Specialised art/photography galleries, and institutional and corporate art sales. (none of which have had a problem with ink or digital pints ime)

[tim atherton]

I'm not so sure. Just the other day I came across a fellow who makes "ink prints" using a process very simlar to bromoil. He claims it's a historical process. I haven't had time to check out that claim.

Eric.

As far as I am aware, Ink Print was not a term commonly or normally used for prints from the Bromoil process ("ink print" no caps was sometimes used in describing the procedure for making the print itself, but not for the final print)

I have come across someone making modern prints using a variation of the procedure and calling them Ink Prints, but it's not really a traditional term. and there a lot more people making Epson (or such) Ink Prints...

[Greg Lockrey]

We just call them "Ink jet prints" or "Ink jet on Rag" here since those who do know (most don't) realize that the Iris Giclée's are now known for fading in the yellow in a relatively short time. But then we aren't pretentious since all we do is "grunt" work and don't need a lot of fancy names. We let our artist clients BS their market.

[Eric_Scott]

As far as I am aware, Ink Print was not a term commonly or normally used for prints from the Bromoil process ("ink print" no caps was sometimes used in describing the procedure for making the print itself, but not for the final print)

I have come across someone making modern prints using a variation of the procedure and calling them Ink Prints, but it's not really a traditional term. and there a lot more people making Epson (or such) Ink Prints...

I deleted my message because I believe I was mistaken. I think he calls them "oil prints". In any event, I looked at a list of photographic processes, and it appears that "ink print" is up for grabs.

Eric.

[Frank Petronio]

See what you did Ken -- starting a Canandian-Mexican war -- on Christmas Eve no less -- don't ask about Glicee prints again!

[naturephoto1]

See what you did Ken -- starting a Canandian-Mexican war -- on Christmas Eve no less -- don't ask about Glicee prints again!

And the missles are flying across with the US in between.

Rich

[Dave Parker]

And the missles are flying across with the US in between.

Rich

Yipes!

And I live high in the Mountains, only about 60 miles from Canada, hope they aim better than the Military!

LOL

Merry Christmas to all!



Dave