Seeking Grainy Paper Negative Developer

[esearing]

Question - if a screen texture is used when making the positive, could it be on outside of the the contact emulsions so it blocks light on the back of the paper from the light source? Positive < Negative < screen < Light source.

And just another weird thought - What if your light source was at an angle to your contact print - say 45 degrees left for 1/2 exposure then 45 degrees right for 1/2 exposure. Is there enough texture in the grains and paper to translate into a textured positive?

[Michael R]

Question - if a screen texture is used when making the positive, could it be on outside of the the contact emulsions so it blocks light on the back of the paper from the light source? Positive < Negative < screen < Light source.

I think the issue there would be that the texture would come out fuzzy.

[jnantz]

I think the issue there would be that the texture would come out fuzzy.

exactly, unless in direct contact with the paper or film it is being received on, it will be fuzzy ..
LF Larry: You should probably photograph something in camera as part of a double exposure instead of doing it in the printing stage ... you'll see your grain better

[xkaes]

Or use an enlarger as the light source with a texture screen focused on the paper.

[Dan Dozer]

Rather than trying to get the grain in your paper negatives, have you considered trying Bromoil printing? You can have as much or as little amount of grain as you want and Bromoil prints were one of the methods early pictorialists used.

[Corran]

Two thoughts. First, ART 300 paper has a beautiful texture that could be somewhat what you are looking for. I use it for heavily textured images like rock and sand and love it.

Secondly, someone already mentioned lith printing, but something I've been experimenting with is bleach and redevelopment in lith developer. I've found new papers take to lith developer poorly, but this bleach/redev process has worked well for me. It becomes a bit grainy, but for "detailed" images makes things look hyper sharp similar to grainy film used on an image with fine details.

Combining those two things might be interesting. I haven't, but now I want to try that.

Experiment!

[esearing]

Two thoughts. First, ART 300 paper has a beautiful texture that could be somewhat what you are looking for. I use it for heavily textured images like rock and sand and love it.

Secondly, someone already mentioned lith printing, but something I've been experimenting with is bleach and redevelopment in lith developer. I've found new papers take to lith developer poorly, but this bleach/redev process has worked well for me. It becomes a bit grainy, but for "detailed" images makes things look hyper sharp similar to grainy film used on an image with fine details.

Combining those two things might be interesting. I haven't, but now I want to try that.

Experiment!

Bryan, I've got the bleach, ART, and Foma classic paper if you want to have an experimental printing session. You bring the Lith.

[Tin Can]

Very interesting

Carry on!

[Corran]

Bryan, I've got the bleach, ART, and Foma classic paper if you want to have an experimental printing session. You bring the Lith.

Great idea Eric! I will have to think of a good negative to use.