11x14 Lens Options?

[Greg]

A few years ago, I asked a question about the Schneider 165mm SA’s ability to cover 7x17 (circa same IC as 11x14”) as there was some speculation that it might; however, there was no definitive answer.
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Definitive answer is no... In the 1980s I had borrowed a 165mm SA for use on my 8x10. Tried it on my 11x14 for the heck of it and it definitely did not cover. I've also read that some 210mm SA's cover 11x14 and some do not.

[Lachlan 717]

Definitive answer is no... In the 1980s I had borrowed a 165mm SA for use on my 8x10. Tried it on my 11x14 for the heck of it and it definitely did not cover.

Thanks, Greg.

I've also read that some 210mm SA's cover 11x14 and some do not.

Are you sure you don’t mean Angulon, rather than Super Angulon? My 210mm SA out-covers my 7x17’s movements, including with maximum tilts. I don’t think there would be that much of a difference between samples.

[Oren Grad]

Are you sure you don’t mean Angulon, rather than Super Angulon? My 210mm SA out-covers my 7x17’s movements, including with maximum tilts. I don’t think there would be that much of a difference between samples.

The specification for late-model 210 Super-Angulons is 500mm image circle at f/22, so even being conservative there should be no problem with 11x14 or 7x17. My own recollection is that if there's an issue, it's with Angulons.

[Mark Sampson]

The 'problems' with the 210/8 Super-Angulon are its great size, weight, rarity, and cost. I know, not the lens' fault.
But in a past career I occasionally used its junior-varsity brother, the 165/8 SA, on 8x10. And I thought that one was a monster! A great performer, it was, as I assume the 210 is also.
I suppose that the Schneider 360 convertible Symmar would cover 11x14 as well, especially in converted form. Maybe someone has used that lens and will speak up.

[Vaidotas]

My wish list for 11x14:

Dallmeyer Stigmatic Series II No6 ~270mm f/6,3
E.Busch Leukar 307mm f/12
Zeiss Protar Series IIIa No8 ~ 407mm f/9
Rodenstock Apo-Ronar 600mm f/9

[Greg]

Thanks, Greg.



Are you sure you don’t mean Angulon, rather than Super Angulon? My 210mm SA out-covers my 7x17’s movements, including with maximum tilts. I don’t think there would be that much of a difference between samples.

I stand to be corrected, yes referring to Angulon and not SA

[Michael Kadillak]

Agree that the 355 G Claron is a must for 11x14. Yes, it is very wide angle on this format (equivalent to a 26mm on a 35mm camera), but it does not feel shooting with it that it is that wide. Likely the enormous GG in play. I find the 450M Nikon more contrasty than the 19" Red Dot myself hence it goes to work more often as a result. The other lenses that I use are the 35" Red Dot Artar in Ilex #5 and the 30" Docter Apo Germinar in a Copal #3. The Docter is f14.5, but still lights up the GG well. A good substitute for the 24" and the 30" lens are the Apo Nikkor lenses which are very nice to work with. You can put a Packard Shutter in front of them and save some big bucks. Hard to wrap your head around the fact that a normal lens on 11x14 is right at 30" which is why one also has to remember that bellows corrections are another variable that one has to contend with when shooting with an 11x14. Thin negatives are a dead give away that one had to take this unique condition into proper consideration. Enjoy!

[Vaughn]

Agree that the 355 G Claron is a must for 11x14. ...Hard to wrap your head around the fact that a normal lens on 11x14 is right at 30" ...

I thought normal for 11x14 was around 480mm, or 19". Edit to add -- corner to corner of an 11x14 negative is 450mm.

But the 355 G Claron is a winner...and for me, also, does not feel that wide. Below is a 11x14 carbon print from a 11x14 neg and 355 G Claron combo. It was on a home-made 11x14 I had borrowed for awhile a touch over 20 years ago.

[Michael Kadillak]

I thought normal for 11x14 was around 480mm, or 19".

But the 355 G Claron is a winner...and for me, also, does not feel that wide. Below is a 11x14 carbon print from a 11x14 neg and 355 G Claron combo. It was on a home-made 11x14 I had borrowed for awhile.

You are correct, I was looking at the chart column for 8x20 instead of 11x14. The normal lens for 11x14 is the 19" (480 mm).

[Kiwi7475]

You are correct, I was looking at the chart column for 8x20 instead of 11x14. Yes, the normal lens for 11x14 is the 24" (600 mm).

Wait… normal is usually the format’s diagonal, so for 11x14 something like 450mm. That’s about 18”, but probably 17-19” is considered normal.