Results 1 to 9 of 9

Thread: Kodak Rapid Fixer

  1. #1

    Join Date
    Dec 1999
    Location
    Forest Grove, Ore.
    Posts
    4,680

    Kodak Rapid Fixer

    How reliable has Kodak Rapid Fixer been these days? I've heard of photographers purchasing bad product.

    Can one tell just from the appearance, if it's bad? Or, does one find out the hard way, by "processing" prints?

    If bad batches are easy got detected, then they can be retuned.

  2. #2

    Join Date
    Feb 2001
    Location
    Greenbank, WA
    Posts
    2,615

    Re: Kodak Rapid Fixer

    I reported my experience, which was three bottles, unopened, going bad, with obvious sulfur-colored solids in them. Sino Promise did send me an email telling me to return them to Freestyle, which I did. Then they sent an email saying they had been exposed to excessive heat. That didn't happen on my watch. My prior experience was that in the box it lasts more or less forever, and the official Kodak word had always been "indefinite" life for the concentrate. They all looked fine when I bought them, they just went bad rapidly in storage in my darkroom at room temperature.

    Is this problem common? I don't know - I've bought some since that is fine.

  3. #3

    Join Date
    Sep 2014
    Location
    Montreal, Canada
    Posts
    2,026

    Re: Kodak Rapid Fixer

    Quote Originally Posted by neil poulsen View Post
    How reliable has Kodak Rapid Fixer been these days? I've heard of photographers purchasing bad product.

    Can one tell just from the appearance, if it's bad? Or, does one find out the hard way, by "processing" prints?

    If bad batches are easy got detected, then they can be retuned.
    I honestly wouldn’t bother at this point. The Ilford equivalent is just as good. pH aside (and the Kodak and Ilford products are close in pH anyway), rapid fixer is rapid fixer.

  4. #4

    Join Date
    May 2015
    Location
    SooooCal/LA USA
    Posts
    2,803

    Re: Kodak Rapid Fixer

    Rapid fixer formula is quite robust in liquid form, but there are a few giveaways if it turned... The formula is fairly simple (without hardener), mostly ammonium thiosulfate, a lot of sodium sulfite and different additions to make it more acetic where the thiosulfate is more efficient...

    The tell-tale signs it has turned if there is a light colored sludge at the bottom of bottle, and a strong smell of sulfur... Advisable to mix some working strength fixer and insert a undeveloped strip of B/W film (35mm?) and it should mostly clear in about a minute... But also for long term storage of stock solutions, they should be diluted at least 1:1, as concentrated solutions tend to turn more easily... But I have less of idea what some of the current commercial solutions will do nowadays...

    Steve K

  5. #5

    Join Date
    Sep 1998
    Location
    Oregon now (formerly Austria)
    Posts
    3,408

    Re: Kodak Rapid Fixer

    If you don't need the hardener that comes with Kodak Rapid Fixer, just buy the Ilford product. It doesn't come with the acid hardener, that you just have to get rid if you buy the Kodak product and don't use hardener.

    Doremus

  6. #6

    Join Date
    Jun 2017
    Location
    West Coast
    Posts
    2,136

    Re: Kodak Rapid Fixer

    I gave up on Kodak fixer over a decade ago. I used Ilford Rapid Fix (sometimes Hypam) for years but now I use TF-4 and TF-5 exclusively. It washes out faster than other fixers.

  7. #7

    Re: Kodak Rapid Fixer

    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Crisp View Post
    I reported my experience, which was three bottles, unopened, going bad, with obvious sulfur-colored solids in them. Sino Promise did send me an email telling me to return them to Freestyle, which I did. Then they sent an email saying they had been exposed to excessive heat. That didn't happen on my watch. My prior experience was that in the box it lasts more or less forever, and the official Kodak word had always been "indefinite" life for the concentrate. They all looked fine when I bought them, they just went bad rapidly in storage in my darkroom at room temperature.

    Is this problem common? I don't know - I've bought some since that is fine.
    Curious - Did you purchase the fixer from Freestyle?
    I've no definitive proof but noticed some weird stuff happening with their arista brand rc paper for my students that seemed like it might be heat related.

  8. #8
    Paul Ron's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Location
    NYC
    Posts
    692

    Re: Kodak Rapid Fixer

    i have noticed Kodak rapid fixer 2 part concentrate doesnt last very long after mixing. it gets cloudy n smells like sulfer. i mix small amounts at a time now.

  9. #9

    Join Date
    Sep 2014
    Location
    Montreal, Canada
    Posts
    2,026

    Re: Kodak Rapid Fixer

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Ron View Post
    i have noticed Kodak rapid fixer 2 part concentrate doesnt last very long after mixing. it gets cloudy n smells like sulfer. i mix small amounts at a time now.
    Generally the more acidic a fixer is, the shorter the shelf life. Sulfurization is accelerated under acidic conditions which is why a neutral fixer will typically last longer. An example would be Kodak’s Flexicolor fixer but there are several others commercially available neutral/near neutral products available (Sprint, Formulary TF-5…). Neutral fixers will also tend to wash out of paper faster.

    It’s also easy to make a rapid fixer yourself as long as you have a reasonably priced source for ammonium thiosulfate solution. Once you have that all you need is some sodium sulfite and a little sodium bisulfite (or acetic acid or boric acid).

Similar Threads

  1. Using Kodak Rapid Fixer for Film/Paper?
    By neil poulsen in forum Darkroom: Film, Processing & Printing
    Replies: 8
    Last Post: 28-Mar-2022, 16:19
  2. Kodak Rapid Fixer + Hardening
    By Two23 in forum Darkroom: Film, Processing & Printing
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 11-Feb-2019, 21:11
  3. Expired Kodak Photoflow, Kodak Hypo Clearing Agent, Ilford Rapid Fixer > still ok to
    By l2oBiN in forum Darkroom: Film, Processing & Printing
    Replies: 15
    Last Post: 28-Nov-2018, 16:04
  4. Shelf life of Kodak Rapid Fixer and Ilford Hypo Ch
    By Dennis_6262 in forum Darkroom: Film, Processing & Printing
    Replies: 6
    Last Post: 15-Jan-2015, 16:35
  5. Shelf life of Kodak Rapid Film Fixer
    By Nguyen "Billy" Kok in forum Darkroom: Film, Processing & Printing
    Replies: 6
    Last Post: 12-Jan-2002, 12:11

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •