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Thread: T Max 400 LF and ULF Film Interest

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    T Max 400 LF and ULF Film Interest

    Over the last several months I found an angle to get Kodak's attention on the subject of securing T Max 400 in LF and ULF sizes and am working on the final negotiations with Kodak to see if they will be reasonable with the price to pull this off. As you all know, working in the reasonable realm is difficult with a company that has a history of being unreasonable but in any event, I feel it is worth a try. Here is what I need help with to either close this deal at a price that I feel will work or walk away.

    If you can e-mail me at with the number of boxes (25 sheets per box) of each size film you would be interested in purchasing I would greatly appreciate it. I would ask that while this "interest" is truly a non-committal on your part, please be as honest and as reasonable as you can. If you are not really going to follow through on your "commitment" in good faith, I would rather that you do not commit at this time. If this does come together we will get back with you and give you detailed pricing and other pertinent details. If it falls apart, I can tell you right now it will be because Kodak is being unreasonable with the price they want for this film. We are talking of a time line that is within weeks of a go - no go decision and I will post the results here shortly.

    Here are the sizes we are considering. Assume that the number of sheets per box is 25:

    5x7, 5x12, 11x14, 7x17, 8x20 and 12x20

    I thank you for responding and I hope that this comes together.

    Pass the word around.


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    Jun 2005
    Stockholm, Sweden

    T Max 400 LF and ULF Film Interest

    Michael for my part I can give a better idea of how many boxes I would be interested in if I have a ballpark price idea per box.
    I would be interested in 12x20. Would it be 150 dollars a box or 400?

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    Feb 2002
    Asheville, NC

    T Max 400 LF and ULF Film Interest

    Probably closer to 400 than 150. Two years ago, Kodak was wanting ~ $325/box for a big order of Tri-X in 12x20

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    Big Negs Rock!
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    Mar 2000

    T Max 400 LF and ULF Film Interest

    Hello Michael,

    I would be interested in 100 5x7 -- depending upon the price. Thank you for taking the trouble to try to make this happen.

    Kind Regards,

    Mark Woods

    Large Format B&W
    Cinematography Mentor at the American Film Institute
    Past President of the Pasadena Society of Artists
    Director of Photography
    Pasadena, CA

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    Apr 2004

    T Max 400 LF and ULF Film Interest

    Help me out; what is the virtue of a t-grain film for contact prints?

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    T Max 400 LF and ULF Film Interest

    Help me out; what is the virtue of a t-grain film for contact prints?

    The primary advantage is reciprocity. A negative that I need to expose for 20 minutes might need 1 hour or more with convetional grain films. Less important is the grain, 400 TMY compares very well with FP4+ with 2 more stops in speed and much better reciprocity behavior.

    I personally like better the tonal relationship of convetnional films, but TMY is unbeateable for ULF when used with small apertures and long exposure times.

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    Jul 2004

    T Max 400 LF and ULF Film Interest

    I would be interested in five boxes - 5 x7 assuming the price is within reason.

    Thanks for moving this along.


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    Sep 2003
    Massachusetts USA

    T Max 400 LF and ULF Film Interest

    JJ - According to Professor Sandy King's sensitometric research, TMY in Pyrocat HD responds in a very linear manner to changes in development time, making it a great film for those who like to control contrast by development: users of the Zone System and Beyond the Zone System, as well as those who practice development by inspection. Compared to other films, it has a very long straight-line section, much like that of FP4, (his favorite among the 100-speed films). There are a lot of people whose personal experience has confirmed his findings. Add to that, it's superior reciprocity characteristics, and you have a hit.

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    T Max 400 LF and ULF Film Interest

    Thanks Abel. I will add you to the list.

    As per the previous question on the virtue of T Grain films for contact printing - In addition to what Jorge mentioned, T Max 400 builds virtually linear density in the upper portion of the density curve with out "turning over " which is exactly what the doctor ordered for contact printing with slow silver chloride papers or work with alt processes that have similar higher negative density requirements. The advantage for the T grain within the emulsion is clearly not necessary for most of the formats listed.


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    Robert A. Zeichner's Avatar
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    Feb 1999
    Southfield, Michigan

    T Max 400 LF and ULF Film Interest

    Michael, Thanks so much for taking the time to pursue this. In a time when the voice of the LF community seems to fall on deaf ears at EKC, it's great to hear even the faintest sign of hope. I've liked T-Max 400 for many years and was just on the cusp of moving to 5x7 from 4x5 when Kodak announced it was discontinuing 5x7 T-Max 400. I made the move anyway and have been nursing a few dozen sheets for awhile now, but very much wish to standardize on it if you succeed in hitting the right nerve in Rochester. Your efforts are greatly appreciated!

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