Eric - I gotta thank you for our discussion Sunday. I hadn't realized the differences in toning color evident when toning with selenium before vs. after (or not at all) with the thiourea toner.

This is from the toning session I did today. The rich sepia happened when selenium toning was done before the toning. More chocolate brown was with no selenium. Ilford Warmtone tends more towards the sepia while MGIV tends to a bluish-brown. Some variation in reduction time created some variance in the tone. Far right image is untoned.