Looking for xtreme wide angle lens for Full Plate film

[Greg]

I currently use two film formats: Full Plate and 11x14". For the 11x14" camera I use a shuttered 5.9" F/14 R D Gray Extreme Angle Periscope lens, 116 degrees coverage (equivalent to a 16mm lens on 35mm film). For my Full Plate camera the widest lens I have is a 120mm Nikkor. A possible wider lens would be a 115mm Rodenstock/Caltar optic, but the 5mm difference is negligible. Am looking for an extreme wide angle lens for my Full Plate camera. Search of photographic literature indicates that there was a 3.6 inch R D Gray Extreme Angle Periscope lens made to cover the Full Plate format but have yet to find one for sale.

Have found some "modern" optics that cover 5x7 but just fall short of covering the Full Plate format. Diagonal for Full Plate film is 270mm but the actual useable image on the film diagonal being 262mm.

thanks,

Greg

[Old-N-Feeble]

I don't know about old classics but I'm sure a 90mm SAXL will cover and I'm willing to bet a 72mm SAXL will illuminate full-plate with some image degradation in the corners. Please note: I have no practical experience with these lenses on full plate. In fact, I'm quite out of practice. I'm just regurgitating what I've read many times on several forums.

[Dan Fromm]

72 SAXL, 229 mm. 90 SAXL, 259 mm. Schneider's claimed coverage @ f/22.

[Steve Goldstein]

If you can tolerate a little corner vignetting the 105mm f/8 Fujinon-SW might do. It has a 250mm image circle at f/22 per Fuji's literature.

[Mark Sawyer]

The old Hypergon 75mm covers 8x10, and I've heard the 60mm Hypergon also covers 8x10, but they're rare, expensive, and slow. Still, there's nothing else like them...

[dave_whatever]

110mm super symmar xl would cover with plenty to spare, is that wide enough?

[Old-N-Feeble]

Right, Dan, but the 90 SAXL is darned close and will cover adequately will little usable movement, if any. The 72 SAXL will "illuminate" straight on with degradation in the corners. I don't know anything about the Periscope lens Greg is using but I strongly suspect it has some limitations of its own and in that light, I suspect Greg is accepting of those limitations.

[Corran]

90XL will kinda-sorta cover 8x10 so should work on FP easily.

[goamules]

The extreme wide angles from the old days I can think of are:

Zeiss or Bausch and Lomb Protar V
Wollensak EWA F12.5 ver
Goerz WA Dagor

All of these are about 90 to 100 degrees angle of view, I believe. The Gray EWA had the widest view of any lens I can think of. You could look for one of those in the size you mention, but you might wait a long time. The rest of these are going to be about the same focal length/view as what you have.

[Dan Fromm]

Garrett, you forgot the f/14 Perigraphe VIa, which also won't do. Claimed coverage, as much as 105 degrees, claimed illumination, as much as 115 degrees, depending on the catalog's vintage.