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    Star trails with slow (LF) lens?

    I'd like to give it a shot. I've had good success in the past with 35mm and a F2.8 lens with TMY in the past but my fastest LF lenses are F-6.3(Ektar)and F/5 (Petzval) and my film will be Ilford HP-5+
    Any thoughts or suggestions?
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    Re: Star trails with slow (LF) lens?

    The issue might be how you wish the star tracks to appear. If you want them crisp and as narrow as possible, then you will need to close down a few stops to get the sharpest image.

    Shooting wide open will widen the star tracks a little and one needs to be careful to have the standards and lens perfectly aligned.
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    Re: Star trails with slow (LF) lens?

    I get the best results using f/8, on Provia usually. I still have a stash of T64 though that I prefer for the tungsten color balance. If using Provia, I usually shoot it with an 80B filter, opened up a stop.

    1-2 hours minimum.

    Example, on T64, using a 58mm XL. Compressed scan, sorry:



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    Re: Star trails with slow (LF) lens?

    Oh, and don't use 400 speed film. Reciprocity kicks in and at the long exposures for these kinds of shots, pretty much any modern 100-speed T-grain film will be "more" sensitive to light than a 400-speed film.

    Acros would be the best choice for a b&w film. TMX will work too but with a bit less sensitivity.

    Realistically, the fastest aperture you can use is best. When I shot this last image my 75mm f/4.5 Biogon was in the shop getting a CLA. It would've been a better choice (and easier to focus).
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    Re: Star trails with slow (LF) lens?

    Quote Originally Posted by Corran View Post
    Oh, and don't use 400 speed film. Reciprocity kicks in and at the long exposures for these kinds of shots, pretty much any modern 100-speed T-grain film will be "more" sensitive to light than a 400-speed film.

    Acros would be the best choice for a b&w film. TMX will work too but with a bit less sensitivity.

    Realistically, the fastest aperture you can use is best. When I shot this last image my 75mm f/4.5 Biogon was in the shop getting a CLA. It would've been a better choice (and easier to focus).
    How about Delta?
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    Re: Star trails with slow (LF) lens?

    Years ago my best star trail was for 10 or 11 hours at f/6.3 on Tech Pan.

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    Re: Star trails with slow (LF) lens?

    It's easier than you think. Between f4.5 to f8 will work with film ISO 100 - 400. A wider aperture catches dimmer stars. More important is keeping the camera absolutely steady, and avoiding unwanted man made light sources. Find a small bit of landscape to include in the photo. Include the North Star for a central point of rotation. Moonless nights are usually better. For a fascinating photo, set the aperture to f8, and open the shutter for 6-8 hours from beginning of darkness to before the first faint dawn light. Don't forget to set the alarm clock and let the sun begin to rise like I have done. And condensation on the lens can happen. Check it every 30 minutes to an hour during the exposure.

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    Re: Star trails with slow (LF) lens?

    Quote Originally Posted by John Kasaian View Post
    How about Delta?
    I think Delta has worse reciprocity than most T-grain emulsions. It should still work but slightly worse?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Jones View Post
    Years ago my best star trail was for 10 or 11 hours at f/6.3 on Tech Pan.
    Neat, I'd like to see that!
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    Re: Star trails with slow (LF) lens?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Jones View Post
    Years ago my best star trail was for 10 or 11 hours at f/6.3 on Tech Pan.
    Did something similar on TMax100 (4x5) in the bottom of the Grand Canyon. But I fell asleep and did not wake up in time.
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    Re: Star trails with slow (LF) lens?

    Guys, since stars are pinpoint light source it is the real aperture dimension that is important not the f number. Nobody of you saw discussions of this point in the past of this forum? Check the archive.

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