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    Re: First camera from a beginner, NEED HELP!

    Honestly its not a bad price assuming everything works. The lens itself is worth say $300 so the camera is less than $150. Assuming everything works. If you can, test all the shutter speeds, the aperture, and bring a flashlight, fully extend the bellows, and check for light leaks. Check the movements on the camera and look for broken bits or anything odd.

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    Re: First camera from a beginner, NEED HELP!

    Your Budget of $550 with lens is not out of reach , Again i ask what type of photography do you do ? if you photograph close to the car or in a studio then a monorail may work for you , if you plan to backpack long distances then i recommend a folding field camera .Regards Gary

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary Tarbert View Post
    Your Budget of $550 with lens is not out of reach , Again i ask what type of photography do you do ? if you photograph close to the car or in a studio then a monorail may work for you , if you plan to backpack long distances then i recommend a folding field camera .Regards Gary

    Hi, until now I thought I wanted a monorail camera, but you doing me changing my mind.

    What camera field with lens recommend me about $ 500 ?

    thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by principiante View Post
    Hi, until now I thought I wanted a monorail camera, but you doing me changing my mind.

    What camera field with lens recommend me about $ 500 ?

    thanks.
    Which do you want? Your budget is the limiting factor here. Choose either:

    * Monorail with lots of movements- about 3-5 kilograms. Look for a Toyo, Sinar, Arca Swiss, Burke and James, Cambo/Calumet, Horseman, Omega, etc.

    * Field camera with limited movements - about 1-2 kilograms. For under $500, look for an older Japanese 4x5 camera, like a Tachihara, Nagaoka, Anba Ikeda. Not a lot of movements but lightweight and within your budget. You might be able to find a Wista, Wisner or Zone 6 but they are probably too expensive.

    If you want a field camera that is light weight AND has lots of movements, it's going to cost you at least $1000 for a Shen Hao or a Chamonix (new) or a nicer used Wista/Wisner/Zone 6 etc. or Linhof/Toyo metal field camera.

    Here is a comparison between my two cameras, as you can see the Sinar F monorail is much more flexible than the Nagaoka but it weighs three times more.

    Attachment 127717
    (with Nikon 360mm lens, at about 400mm bellows extension)

    Sinar F 4x5 Monorail - about $150-250 depending on condition and accessories (F2 will be $400+)
    Minimum Bellows Extension: 40mm (I can use a 50mm or 65mm lens with a wide angle bellows, and a 75mm with the regular bellows)
    Maximum Bellows Extension: 450mm (I can use up to about a 400mm lens)
    Front tilt: 40 degrees back, 40 degrees forward
    Back tilt: 40 degrees back, 40 degrees forward
    Front swing: 60 degrees each side
    Back swing: 60 degrees each side
    Front shift: 30 mm right, 60mm left
    Back shift: 60 mm right, 30mm left
    Front rise: 80 mm total
    Back rise: 80 mm total
    Rotation: about 270 degrees around the rail
    Weight: 3.6 kilos

    Attachment 130815
    (with Nikon 120mm lens, at about 150mm bellows extension)

    Nagaoka 4x5 Field Camera - about $250-400 depending on condition and accessories (later models with front swing $400+)
    Minimum Bellows Extension: 65 mm (I can use a 75mm lens at the widest)
    Maximum Bellows Extension: 330 mm (I can use a 300mm lens at the longest)
    Front tilt: 45 degrees back, 25 degrees forward
    Back tilt: 18 degrees back, 55 degrees forward
    Front swing: 0 degrees (later models had 8 degrees each side)
    Back swing: 10 degrees each side
    Front shift: 0 mm
    Back shift: 0 mm
    Front rise: 50 mm total
    Back rise: 0 mm
    Rotation: none (not a monorail)
    Weight: 1.2 kilos

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    Re: First camera from a beginner, NEED HELP!

    This is a Toyo 45c
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    Re: First camera from a beginner, NEED HELP!

    I realise that you are after a 4x5 camera but this means you are getting a negative which is quite small!

    To get a "viewing" size you will need either:

    a 4x5 traditional enlarger OR
    a scanner allowing digital enlarging plus a printer.

    Either of these will involve costs and learning curves (experimentation and frustrations!).

    13x18cm format will provide cheap contact prints.

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    Re: First camera from a beginner, NEED HELP!

    Quote Originally Posted by fishbulb View Post
    Sinar F 4x5 Monorail - about $150-250 depending on condition and accessories (F2 will be $400+)
    Minimum Bellows Extension: 40mm (I can use a 50mm or 65mm lens with a wide angle bellows, and a 75mm with the regular bellows)
    I went for the F because a guy in the area offered one. I think it cost me €250 and it came with a rail extension, Schneider Xenar 135/4.7 and a film holder. I had never used a view camera, but I ended up with a working kit for a very reasonable price. I can only recommend looking for a good offer, whatever shape it comes it.
    Btw, I find the combination 75mm + regular bellows virtually impossible to work with if any amount of rise or shift is involved.

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    So, today i went to see the camera , all works fine, he say only used 1 time and and i think it's true.

    The lens and the body it's in very good condition, like new, i ask him and does not want to lower the price of 550$

    lens it's Rodenstock 90mm Grandagon-N 6.8

    The camera is fairly new, it is good price?
    do not want to waste money.

    many thanks for reply and sorry for my english

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    Re: First camera from a beginner, NEED HELP!

    One thing is important ... is it the newer Rodenstock 90mm Grandagon-N 6.8 with the green line around the front barrel - or is it the older version with no green stripe? The newer version is worth around $600 vs. about $300 for the older version.

    If it's the green stripe version, then definitely buy it. $600 lens + $200 camera = $800 for only $550

    If it's the older version of the lens, but it comes with a lot of accessories (film holders, light meter, backpack or bag, loupe, shutter cable, film) then it's a fair price ($300 lens, $200 camera, plus some accessories).

    If it's the older version of the lens, and comes with nothing else, I would skip it or try to talk him down to $500 or less. You will still have to buy film holders, a light meter, a bag, a loupe, a shutter cable, and film. Plus any other lenses you might want. A 90mm is a wide angle lens, about the same as a 28mm on a full frame DSLR, or a 17mm on a crop sensor (APS-C) SLR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fishbulb View Post
    One thing is important ... is it the newer Rodenstock 90mm Grandagon-N 6.8 with the green line around the front barrel - or is it the older version with no green stripe? The newer version is worth around $600 vs. about $300 for the older version.

    If it's the green stripe version, then definitely buy it. $600 lens + $200 camera = $800 for only $550

    If it's the older version of the lens, but it comes with a lot of accessories (film holders, light meter, backpack or bag, loupe, shutter cable, film) then it's a fair price ($300 lens, $200 camera, plus some accessories).

    If it's the older version of the lens, and comes with nothing else, I would skip it or try to talk him down to $500 or less. You will still have to buy film holders, a light meter, a bag, a loupe, a shutter cable, and film. Plus any other lenses you might want. A 90mm is a wide angle lens, about the same as a 28mm on a full frame DSLR, or a 17mm on a crop sensor (APS-C) SLR.
    I think it's older version.

    come with 7 film holders, shutter cable, monocular rubber focus and 3 old metal developing Tank similar of that


    i miss backpack/bag...

    thanks for reply

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