super symmar 210 HM for 8x10

**giancatarina** · 7-Jan-2005, 11:24

I have the opportunity to buy a super symmar 210 HM for a good price,
but considering the weight, i would like to know if it will be much better than an apo symmar 240 or a Fuji A 240 or even a G claron.
I know that the Super symmar XL have a bigger image circle, but i just can't afford it, and it weight even more !

**martin_4668** · 7-Jan-2005, 13:58

If I wass offered a low price 210 XL, I would sell my left kidney to get it.......it doesnt get any better than that...

**Michael Kadillak** · 7-Jan-2005, 15:08

Get real and keep your anatomy intact.

A Super Symar sells at B&H for $3,150, has an image circle of 500mm and weights 4.5#. Center filter is $850. Lets say that you get it for half price, it is still a $1,575 lens that is heavy as hell. For 8x10 you only need 340mm of coverage although more is always better.

Counterpoint. Computar 210 fits in a copal 1, uses an expansion ring to take a 52mm filter, weights about half a pound and has nearly 400mm of coverage. Cost? $5-600. In barrel they go regularly for $150-$200.

You good price is probably closer to $2,500 and I could fill a complete 8x10 optics line for that kind of money and I would not be putting all of my optical eggs in one basket.

Save you money for film, chemical and paper.

Cheers!

**Armin Seeholzer** · 7-Jan-2005, 15:20

Hi

The Super Symmar HM is the older lens with 8 glasses and has an angel of 80° and a image circle of 356mm and it is 1510 gramm this is from my old Schneider Brochure.
It was around 20 years ago the state of the art lens! HM stays for high modulation!
Go for it!

**giancatarina** · 7-Jan-2005, 17:19

Note that we are talking about the SS HM not the XL,
and that i intend to use it with 4x5, and later with 8x10 ...
I will go to 8x10, because i'm concern about image quality, and considering the price of sheet film, i want the best lens possible otherwise i will stick with 4x5 or even 6x7 !

**Oren Grad** · 7-Jan-2005, 19:17

The 210 SS-HM is a fine lens, but it's not going to be "much better" than the 240 Apo-Symmar. You should choose between them based on which focal length you prefer.

If you like the 240 focal length, you should also consider the 240 Apo-Sironar-S, which is also a superb lens but has a larger image circle (covering 75 degrees) than the Apo-Symmar (covering 72 degrees). I've tested both 72- and 75-degree lenses in the 240 focal length and found that the extra coverage at 75 degrees makes a real difference in my own 8x10 work.