Which lenses would do you have for 4X10 and why?

[Peter Hruby]

Hello everybody,

I searched through this forum and looked for a quite few opinions, what lens would be considered for 4x10. It was pretty confused by opinions, so I decided to open this question to get more detail information.

I will not be specific for certain lenses, because I would like to hear everybody's opinion and not have a discussion based what I would choose.

Let's start some of my opinions for a beginning. I do have some experience with panorama pictures from 35 mm cameras and as a next step to the future is to go large. Medium format would be only step to large anyway, so I am here. I had lens with 20, 28, 35 - 70 zoom, 50, 135, 75 - 300 mm, 1000mm. As you can see, it is quite a range from SW, W, Normal, Portrait and Long and X-Long lenses. Everyone can be used for panoramic, the angle of view, distance and perspective was only the consideration to choose lens to get picture you like.

I know what worked for 35mm format. I believe that 4x10 format is way too different from point of view perspective. Especially, you can do movements which may give it more options. I am looking for suggestions like:

What do you use for 4x10 most of your time and why?
What is your choice for lens as standard package, angle of view, the distance from scene you shoot movement’s options?
Any other thing I didn't even mentioned here?

Sincerely,
Peter Hruby

[William Blunt]

Peter,
The lens that gets the most use with my 4x10 is a 180 symar s which barely covers. I also use a 240 gold dot dagor, 300mm nikor m and a 450 fuji c. I do have a 190 wf extar with a bit more coverage but the 180 is much smaller in size and has a modern shutter so it gets used more often.Most of my photographs are landscapes and the wider view with the 4x10 (or I guess you could say the narrower view) works well with the way I see. I've never needed to use a lot of movements with the 4x10.
Wm Blunt

[Edward (Halifax,NS)]

If I were to give 4X10 a try I would shoot with a 150mm lens. I would be contact printing so my G Claron would be fine. I'd have to stop down to f/45 or f/64 to cover the format but since I wouldn't be enlarging diffraction wouldn't be a problem. Most of my shots would use front tilt to include infinity focus.

[Steve Nieslony]

A 90mm Super Angulon XL (the big one) just covers 4x10 if you want to go real wide.

110 Super Symmar XL
150 Super Symmar XL
240 Sironar
300 Nikkor M

I have tried a 180 Sironar S and it's a tight fit. 210 Symmar will work as well.

Steve

[Mark Sawyer]

Being a "panorama" format, 4x10 obviously cries out at the top of its lungs for a wide angle. The most underappreciated wide angle is the 159mm Wollensak, which comes in f/9.5 or f/12.5. I have the 12.5 for my 8x10, and love it.

[Brian Vuillemenot]

Sure, wide angles are great, but panoramic formats can also be used for more narrow angle,s cloesups, and macro- they're for more than just capturing expansive vistas! Here are some suggestions:

110 SS XL- ultra wide, and you may need a center filter

150 Nikkor SW or SS XL

210 SS XL, SS HM, Apo Sironar S, Apo Symmar-L, Fujinon W (the last three just cover without much movements)- I like the 210 better than wider angles, but I'm not a huge user of ultra wides anyway.

300 Apo Sironar S, Apo Sironar N, Nikkor W, Nikkor M, Fujinon C, and quite a few others

450 Fujinon C or Nikkor M

600 Fujinon C

Obviously, I haven't used all the lenses listed above, but they will work fine for 4X10. My favorite focal lengths in this format are 210, 300, and 450. Good luck! By the way, what camera are you planning on using- a dedicated 4X10 or an 8X10 with a cut darkslide?

[Kerry L. Thalmann]

I'm currently on my second go-around with 4x10. The first time around, I had the following lenses:

115mm Grandagon-N

165mm Angulon

210mm Nikkor W

300mm Nikkor M

450mm Nikkor M

The 165mm and 210mm were my favorite focal lengths, followed closely by the 300mm. I bought the 115mm Grandagon-N specifically to shoot 4x10, but didn't use it as much as I thought I would. It covers with a bit left over for movements, but it's a fairly large lens and with any lens this wide I found I need a center filter to compensate for illumination fall-off (I shoot color transparency film). Shortly before I sold my 4x10 outfit, I replaced the 115mm Grandagon-N with a 120mm f8 Nikkor SW, which has a larger image circle and was a bit smaller and lighter.

This time around I'm experimenting with a number of lenses:

110mm Super Symmar XL - smaller, lighter and faster than either the 115mm Grandagon-N or 120mm Nikkor SW. I have the proper enter filter for this lens which helps even out the illumination.

150mm f9 Graphic-Kowa

159mm f12.5 Wollensak Raptar Extreme Wide Angle

I'm currently experimenting with these two to see which one I like better.

210mm APO Symmar

210mm G Claron

The APO Symmar is my regular 210, but the G Claron is smaller and lighter so I use it for longer hikes.

300mm Nikkor M - Superb

450mm Fujinon C - Also superb

600mm Fujinon C - for when I want something REALLY long.

I also have a 240mm Fujinon A that covers and is a wonderful little lens.

Eventuallty, I plan to take the 4x10 backpacking and will probably carry three or four small lenses. Probably either 150/159, 210mm G Claron, 300mm Nikkor M and 450mm Fujinon C or 150/159, 240mm Fujinon A and 450mm Fujinon C. These are all compact, lightweight lenses that cover 4x10 with room to spare.

It's funny, because I don't normally shoot a lot with really wide lenses on any format. The 110mm Super Symmar is one of my favorite lenses on 4x5, but seems really wide on 4x10. That said, I have actually found myself in a couple situations where I wanted something even wider (I might end up renting a 90mm Super Angulon XL for a week sometime just to get those shots).

I really liked the focal length of the 165mm Angulon the first time around. To bad there isn't something of similar focal length, size, weight and coverage that's multicoated and in a more modern shutter. I think my perfect 4x10 wide angle would be a modern update of the classic 158mm f6.5 Cooke Series VIIb. Since Cooke is back in the large format business, and has already introduced an updated version of their classic triple convertible, I may get my wish yet. As much as I like this focal length, I'm not willing to carry around (or pay for) one of the huge newer wide angles (155mm Grandagon-N or 165mm Super Angulon). So, for now it looks like the 150mm Graphic-Kowa and 159mm Wollensak will battle it out for my wide angle of choice on the 4x10 format.

Kerry

[George Stewart]

I've been shooting with a 4x10 box camera (no bellows or movements), using a 90XL, for around 10 years. I went to the 90 because of a desire for the smallest camera I could get. Going this wide isn't for every shot, but it's nice to have.

[Kerry L. Thalmann]

Hi George,

You were the first one I thought of when I saw this thread. You may not remember, but we met several years ago in Yosemite (I believe it was March, 1998). You were shooting with your 4x10 box camera and I was using a 6x17 that I'd cobbled together from an old US Navy Torpedo camera.

Kerry

[Peter Hruby]

Uaaau,

That is a very wide range of lenses everybody uses. I see that weight of lens is very important to decide what you guys chose. Also, what I figured out is that normal or wide lenses are more practical for 4x10 than s - wide ones, on the other side there is a need for s-wide’s.

Brian, I do have a Deardorff 8X10 so I am considering building special back to position 8x10 back into a middle of my Deardorff. As everybody knows 4x10 needs at least 273.56 mm. Many lens if you stop them down very deeply, you will get there. Unfortunately for my work I need fast lenses, so few lenses mentioned here, especially with close coverage will not be the best for me.

Kerry, great approach to topic, thank you for your contribution.

Regarding to the distance and coverage angle. For panoramas, the most important thing is how much vertical angle you need related to horizontal with the distance you gonna shoot. We are talk about 4x10 panoramas, so if on 10 inch horizontal your angle coverage is 105 degrees, on vertical would be 42 degrees. So 42 degrees pretty high considering you have something half mile from you, but if you are 5-20 yards from center of you interest, you might use these lens. The only trick part regarding to S-wide lens is perspective and vertical and horizontal deformation (I think it's called curvilinear distortion). The perspective can be accomplished by choosing something close overlapping background, but straight lines might be difficult to achieve, unless you have aspheric photographic lenses like Supper Symmar 110 XL, but these lens have their cons like coverage with very limited movements, center filter and price!!!.

If you distance increases, you can achieve same result but you need less and less angle of view, so you got to a wide lens and continue through normal lens to a long lens. Perspectives is changing to a narrower or let’s say more flat position, so you need to give more thought where exactly you will position you camera to get best perspective of the same shot. Huh. I hope I'm right here. And finally if you are somewhere in long range the picture is different again, you are very far from scene and you take more objects into your final scene what is between you and the final scene.

Let's go back to lens.

I have my eye for Nikkor 120 SW lens. It is 105 Deg, filter size 77mm, circle coverage 310 mm - little movement possible. No center filter needed. Price is very acceptable. Sharp lens. Pros and cons ratio I'd consider is the best. That would be my start. If you need to shoot something which is fairly in close distance with great angle, I would thing this lens will give you exactly I would need.

I didn't decided yet what would be the Wide, Normal and Normal - Long type (last one I call Portrait one).

So that's me and my thoughts.