Should nudes be allowed in Portrait threads?

[Ken Lee]

The highest % viewed category on LFPF, is...Drum roll please......'

To sell more prints, let them be urban sea-side landscapes with nudes, flowers and trees, printed with alternate methods.

[Tin Can]

like!

The highest % viewed category on LFPF, is...Drum roll please......'

To sell more prints, let them be urban sea-side landscapes with nudes, flowers and trees, printed with alternate methods.

[Marc B.]

To sell more prints, let them be urban sea-side landscapes with nudes, flowers and trees, printed with alternate methods.

+1

[Jody_S]

The highest % viewed category on LFPF, is...Drum roll please......'

To sell more prints, let them be urban sea-side landscapes with nudes, flowers and trees, printed with alternate methods.

If you build it, they will come....

[Leigh]

If you don't want to see your portraits mingled in a thread with nude portraits, start a thread explicitly for non-nude portraits.
If you don't want to see nude portraits at all, don't view the thread that isn't explicitly labeled non-nude.

Excellent solution.

- Leigh

[cowanw]

This issue is not about censorship. It is about respect! We need to respect the situations and the views of others. Politeness in society has taken a back seat to rudeness and lack of respect for the opinions and views of others. The moderators unfortunately spend much of their time dealing with the lack thereof.

I have been making photos of nudes for years, some models were paid and some were friends. I have posted some of these nudes in the Nude thread and I started the Nudes with Small Format thread in the Lounge so that viewers would be aware of what to expect. I do this out of respect for the viewer.

I have many photos that could suitably be posted in the Large Format Landscape or the Old Things threads, but because of the shock value created by a nude appearing unexpectedly or inappropriately, I think it is only fair that the viewer be forewarned. This can be clear from the title on the thread.

I try to keep my nudes within good taste, not erotic and certainly not pornographic. The only negative reaction I have had is from the Feminists who complain that I am 'objectifying women' and presenting them as 'sexual objects.'

This post has in fact been roiling around in my head for several days. There is anger in it, both to societal changes and to "the Feminists"
It speaks to respect for the viewer. This has validity of course, as does respect for the subject and for the photographer.
The poster of the original image in question, who has responded in a most gentle and gentlemanly manner, may well have had the same concerns that Al has mentioned in the past regarding posting in the Nude section and exposing the subject to unwanted comments.
Posting a nude portrait in the portrait section will more likely avoid the inappropriate comments. And the photographer may well choose to put a nude portrait there for those very reasons
Leigh has spoken to the respect for the photographer.
I don't know the answer here although I really like the idea that a safe for work portrait thread could readily be started by anyone.
I admit I am astounded by the 50/50 split of those who feel moved to vote.
Garret's post prompted me to finally writeabout Al's . Apparently not having a post responded to means something; I'm not sure what. Perhaps silence is meant to be consent. If so then around 2600 members do not want a change to the rules.
As to the rest of that post.
I do not really really want to allow nudity in the portraits thread (it is allowed)
I really really don't want a whinocracy or a mob democracy to decide what is "most logical".
I don't want LFPF decisions made by anonymous filtering program managers.
And I really really don't want any category (such as artistic expression of peoples knobbly bits) being placed in a "separate but equal" category of artistic expression.
At risk of bogging down decision making, I will present a self portrait from 1840 which would be quite nude and shocking in its time.

and here's one from Oct 2011

I hope Stephane doesn't mind.

[goamules]

...This is standard for bogging down a decision, the most vocal will argue until the cows come home, and never give an inch. So instead, they start shifting the argument onto tangents like,
"what really is a portrait" and
"if you don't want to look, just don't" and
"Kids shouldn't be offended, they'll see nudity at some point in their life" and
"if you take nudity out, you need to also take out xyz shots..." and
"nudity is art, the body shouldn't offend....blah."...

There is no "regular portraits" thread, there are only "Portraits" threads.
I don't really care that much about this... Whatever happens, I won't even notice the change. I haven't even voted. But I may.

Good example of the kind of parcing words I was talking about.

It seems entirely logical from my rather detached, principle-based view that people who want change be the ones to change, rather than trying to force change of behavior on a solid 50% of others who disagree. I respect the right of people who don't want to see or be associated with nudity. If you don't want to see your portraits mingled in a thread with nude portraits, start a thread explicitly for non-nude portraits. If you don't want to see nude portraits at all, don't view the thread that isn't explicitly labeled non-nude. What could be more simple and logical? Its much more simple and logical and even respectful than trying to force change on others because of your personal sensitivities.

You've got to be kidding me. By your psuedo logic anything goes. Sexual content is not allowed in many, many places. It is often accompanied by warnings, firewalls, and such. You cannot post a nude picture on a wall at work, in a library, on a street corner, in a grocery store. But you're saying we should make a special, non-nude only portraits thread???? I guess in your bizarro would we'd need special non-nude schools, libraries, malls, and workplaces? A "safe zone" bubble for the few who don't want to live in a nudist colony? Posh.....

[Corran]

Proposing a "non-nude portrait" thread is the same thing as proposing a "nude portrait thread." Except that's labeling and therefore censorship.

Can't have your cake and eat it too.

[goamules]

"Rather than argue each of the above, I'll ask this; Why don't the moderators just make the most logical ruling, that is being asked for by a large portion of the members That is, keep nudity in it's own thread, like "soft focus landscapes", "old barns", "post your waterfalls"....et al? Is it that hard, or do we want to please the few, most adept arguers, who have nothing else to do but continually fight this logical plan?" [my quote]

Garrett, If only it were that simple. But first, as the polls shows...it's not 'a large portion'...it's about 50/50. Second, it's not about 'putting' them anywhere...
Posters have chosen where they would place their images. So do you advocate having 'alt process nudes' 'small format nudes'? My last comment is that culturally in these times we see more nudity everywhere... ads, social media, & with wardrobe malfunctions during the singing of the national anthem, so why does this topic generate so much discussion....this is afterall a private forum we have the privilege of using, & not a public democratic forum?

Yep, that's what I was talking about, you also must be someone who wants to argue semantics, of what a "large portion" versus "50/50" is, or what the word "putting..." means, or anything except the truth: Sitting in an airport, school, or workplace is no place to "discover" a giant screenshot of a hot, totally nude woman showing all her parts. You can say it's OK for you. But you cannot say it's OK for everyone. Because in a lot of those places it's against the law.

Argue, argue, argue, but you cannot argue the above is incorrect.

[Leigh]

A "safe zone" bubble for the few who don't want to live in a nudist colony?

Excellent idea.

Although in my relatively long life I don't recall ever seeing a non-nude bubble.

- Leigh