"Beginners-Mind" (sho-shin)

[sun of sand]

you cannot learn being i the zone
can you learn beginner mind

that was funny

[sun of sand]

Then anyone is a master of whatever they didn't give up on. And that might be nothing, if one so chooses.

that was funny too

[Nathan Potter]

Where is Ludwig Wittgenstein when we need him? A hint of logic here would be relieving.

Nate Potter, Austin TX.

[sun of sand]

I try to imagine what my student already knows. I really have no idea how much I've imparted.

In playing poker you imagine what the other player knows
you challenge it
you do the opposite of what they know
when you think they believe they know something new
you challenge it
do the opposite of what they expect of you

they lose and can lose badly
but those are the good students and the enjoyable poker players
because they are willing to try
hypothesize
be creative
they're not fully skilled
but if they keep playing you you continue teaching and they because they are receptive soon have the skills you have and they then have many years to advance

but not everyone is motivated to play like that
why not?
people often lose that early in childhood
how do you get little kids to regain their beginners mind
that passion to do
bad parenting/teachers/school systems/environments in general

you can't simply point them to a paradox and hope they run with it
can you point an adult and expect more?

[sun of sand]

Where is Ludwig Wittgenstein when we need him? A hint of logic here would be relieving.

Nate Potter, Austin TX.

what are you implying? exploiting your knowledge of someone well-known to only those you wish to gain recognition from for knowing?
Why don't you bring your logic in and stop name dropping


you may have knowledge of something pertaining to this thread
a clear way to express something hidden to me
show it
but simply dropping some name as though it lends proof of your superiority is much like those professors with IQ's no smaller than yours who thought they were the sht cause they had phd's

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Hall_paradox

[barnninny]

Sort of like those athletes who never got picked last for anything and thought that meant everything in the world must be reducible to an athletics analogy.

I mean, I'm just guessing.

[sun of sand]

Sort of like those athletes who never got picked last for anything and thought that meant everything in the world must be reducible to an athletics analogy.

I mean, I'm just guessing.

I love sport because there is no possibility for deception in it
You win or lose. You may be better or the lesser on the whole but in that instance you either won or lost
There is a definite reward for all you've learned. You know you either have it or you don't. You then practice more to make sure you have it

Poker is a game of deception. It's beautiful in other ways
psychological creativity

I think sport is truth ..and beauty. If you can reduce to something to an athletic analogy then you can be pretty certain what you've said contains truth within it
somewhere

Lets not forget about ALL those on this and every other photography site where the members try to reduce everything to the performance of musical instruments


what you might be saying [beliving] is that somehow musicality is higher on the totem pole of intelletualism than athletic prowess

Not all athletes are dumb jocks
I happen to be very well rounded and would never have been picked last in a scholastic competition, either
unless the ones picking teams were the other contestants and not the teachers and in that case I would probably be last picked about half the time




I think it's too bad nobody wants to take o n "the zone"
or
"the flow"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flow_(psychology)

I think it might be interesting in that it may challenge some beliefs on this beginners mind thing

[sanking]

Whether one be a beginner or a master there is still the vexing reality that we can not photograph everything, no matter how important, novel or interesting it may be. I am not a follower of Zen, but in choosing what I photograph the wisdom of Marcus Aurelius often comes to mind.

"Look to the essence of a thing, whether it be a point of doctrine, of practice, or of interpretation. -- by Marcus Aurelius
Meditations. viii. 22."

One could apply this not only to the things we photograph, but to the reason we photograph, and to what we do with the images, if anything.

Sandy

[Dan Henderson]

Or you could say "get your head in the game"
But that doesn't sound as poetic, does it.

For me, anyway, it is better if I get my head OUT of the game.

[Nathan Potter]

[QUOTE=sun of sand;1018486]what are you implying? exploiting your knowledge of someone well-known to only those you wish to gain recognition from for knowing?
Why don't you bring your logic in and stop name dropping

The OP has made a simple statement about clearing the mind in order to see more clearly the things around us and by intimation better focus our photography. It is the thrust of Kens article and carried through in much of his photography. I subscribe to the same notion in order to bring clarity to my images.

My reference to Wittgenstein, the Austrian logician, was to draw a parallel between his famously endless discussions on logic, especially with Bertrand Russell and the kind of obtuse evolution of this thread. I never fully understood Wittgenstein as I don't fully understand all that you are saying.
But I certainly appreciate the verbal gems scattered through your words and others here.

As Ken says we seem to be going in circles here. I tend to think we are already to a point of clarity.

Nate Potter, Austin TX.