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    Focusing cloth in high winds?

    Try our focusing cloth. It's heavy enough to stand up to wind, without feeling too "weighty". There are no weights in the corners that can swing around and break a ground glass. It will repel water. I think it will work for anyone in large format.

    http://www.fineartphotosupply.com/focusingclothpage2.htm

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    Focusing cloth in high winds?

    For 4x5, I have started using a t-shirt, as recommended recently on this board. The neck fits snug enough over the ground glass, it will hang there, and then just stick your head in, with the waist over your shoulders. For me it works faster than either a horseblanket or a fitted (BTZS-style) dark cloth.

    What you want is the smallest workable cloth, so that you minimize your exposure to the wind.

    Don't forget that the cloth is not the only thing flapping in the wind -- so is the camera. If you are struggling with the cloth, be sure to shoot at fast shutter speeds.

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    Focusing cloth in high winds?

    Best accessory I ever bought was a Cambo rotating monocular viewer for my Gandolfi Variant (same ground glass holder) - you need a fresnel too, even with longish lenses, to reduce the hotspot. No more of that stuffy head-under-a-horse-blanket feeling - my head under the open sky, the wind rustling my hair, lungs full of fresh unsullied air, my girlfriend by my side, singing: "I'm a lumberjack and I'm OK, I sleep all night and I "... erm... sorry... got a bit carried away there..... but it really is SO much more comfortable!

    It's very light, though a bit bulky, and I only need the loupe if there is detail I want to check critical focus on with a lot of movements (rare for me) - otherwise I can focus easily through the viewer's magnifying eyepiece.

    A lot more expensive than a cloth, but also a lot cheaper than the larger binocular viewers and well worth considering if your camera has a similar accessory available, especially if wind is a recurring problem (insert your own joke there...).

    Cheers,

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    Focusing cloth in high winds?

    I caught this post and would be happy to offer an explanation (on-line or off-line) regarding the advantage of sleeves and an adjustable elastic neck when dealing with the wind, but as the manufacturer of the above-mentioned BLACKJACKET(TM), I defer to the whims of the management.

    Though to Rich's comment, I admit that working with a lit cigar would create some unforseen challenges.

    BTW, Tim and QT, thanks for the mention.

    Keith

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    Focusing cloth in high winds?

    Keith, ;-)

    Okay, I don't always "go under" with a lit cigar, but I won't put one out if things synch...

    And I'll even give you a plug, of sorts. When I was searching for a new focusing cloth, I saw the "horse blankets" and two inovations. One was basically a tube with elastic that went around the back of the camera. Interesting idea, but where do the hands go?

    The other was more of a reversed t-shirt/jacket. Elastic around the camera, and sleeves for the hands. _That_ was interesting and seemed very useable. It almost got me...

    Unfortunately, I not only am hampered by the cigar, but also am never without a hat. And hats have problems with elastic tubes...

    But you _almost_ got me! ;-) If it wasn't for the hat, I'd give one a try! I do like the design!

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    Focusing cloth in high winds?

    Rich,

    >> Unfortunately, I not only am hampered by the cigar, but also am never without a hat. And hats have problems with elastic tubes... <<

    As twenty-year member of the follicaly-challenged population, I sympathize with your hat situation, though it has been my experience that a hat is an advantage in almost all working conditions.

    I am rarely seen in public without some sort of lid--an Indiana Jones-style wool felt number in the winter and a white, canvas, floatable, Dorfman Pacific with a vented cap and extra-wide brim for the warmer climes. In my early photo years, it was a baseball cap, though the sides of my face and the back of my neck suffered. But it was those early years, using a BTZS tube that I first devised a solution to work in windy conditions.

    I'd rotate the ball cap so the bill was on the windward side to keep the fabric from blowing up against my face and across the ground glass. A bigger hat with a broad brim on all sides made rotating the hat unnecessary. Much later, I concluded that adding sleeves to the "tube" concept would permits one to hold the fabric at bay on the windward side with an entire arm functioning like a tent pole.

    My own experience with the BTZS is that the opening for one's head (the non-Velcroed) portion, is a smaller aperture than my own concept (11 inches vs. 29 inches) owing to the difference in design. The BTZS is a narrower tube and more of an "elbow" of fabric than my design. I found that the extra fabric of my concept drapes easily over my shoulders, thus eliminating the need for a smaller opening, making inserting and removing one's head more like just throwing a horseblanket over it.

    For most people the challenge in windy conditions is two-fold: 1. Keeping the cloth on the camera while focusing/framing. (I favor adjustable elastic) 2. Keeping the cloth out of the way while focusing/framing. (I favor sleeves)

    Noting the previous mentions about minimizing the surface area exposed to the wind and selecting a fabric with some heft, I agree. A lighter weight material will have increased "flap factor" (a tendancy to vibrate more vigorously in the wind). But, if a heavier fabric is used, one must cart around that additional weight even when it isn't windy. For comparison sake, if one thinks of the qualities in a good backpacking tent, they include: lightweight with a rigid frame that is able to withstand high winds.

    Bottom line after all this puffery, is that the most important thing to consider is, what works for you.

    BTW, on a recent trip to the Bruneau Canyon (where a mild day would be 20mph sustained winds), Charlie Cramer passed along a tip he'd recently picked up from Joseph Holmes. It seems that Joe puts a little more tension on his Graflex back when working with QuikLoad/ReadyLoad holders on windy days. He uses one of those tiny bungies hooked on the front edge, right side, of the rear standard, wrapped around the Graflex back and hooked on the the front edge, left side, of the rear standard. This prevents light leaks that might occur when the wind blows on the paper film holder that sits out there like a main sail while one waits for a lull to make the exposure. Seems to make sense to me.

    Keith

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    Focusing cloth in high winds?

    Keith,

    I wish I would have talked to you before I bought my latest "horse blanket"! We'll see how things work out this Summer and you may yet hook me as a customer ;-)

    And thanks for that bungee idea! My one 8x10 has rather weak springs. I was starting the background thought processes of doing something about it without being able to replace the 80 year old things. I never even thought of just using a bungee on it, and I've even got them! Although, it does sound like a marketable item! Just find the right length and tension for 4x5, 8x10, etc. And then come up with better end hooks that will fit a camera body but not damage it... Now that you could sell to me right now! ;-)

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    Focusing cloth in high winds?

    By the way, I wear a cowboy hat... Deffinitely like the wide rim! ;-)

    And the reason I'm back. I wanted to take another look at the Blackjacket. The link above gave me a "page not found" error. So I did a search. The link that comes up gives me the same error...

    But just going to http://www.quietworks.com/ works for me and I can get to the BlackJacket page. So it's there, but for some odd reason the above link doesn't work here... Just thought I'd let people know in case they have a similar problem...

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    Focusing cloth in high winds?

    Rich,

    Thanks for the head's up on the above link. The reason it won't work is that I completely reorganized the site yesterday to add the HYBRID model line which debuted at the View Camera Conference in Monterey. I created new folders and moved lots of files around so it is no wonder that it couldn't find the page anymore.

    As for the horseblanket, some folks find it work just fine. Charlie, for instance, is fond of his. But when the wind blows, I find I have enough to worry about without battling my equipment. So much of creating meaningful images is about being to relax and concentrate on one's surroundings rather than wrestling with unwieldy gear.

    BTW, I can only imagine what a "photo bungie" would cost in comparison to regular bungies!

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