the question of the last 110 years

[Jim Jones]

early artist scribbles are highly valued

art is what an artist makes

not the market

Tell that to many successful galleries. Some of them sell more art in a day than I have in many decades of casual selling in galleries and exhibits. I'm happy with what I do, and wish them satisfaction with their trade.

[paulbarden]

I'm having a hard time taking in the fact that we are having THIS discussion again, and again, and again. It goes around in circles, and all there is is disagreement about what is photography and what is not photography.

The making of images is going to evolve, both because of, and in spite of how we feel about changes in technology. Trying to define when and how we leave one clearly defined territory and slide into a new/uncharted one is pointless.

[Corran]

As a musician, and specifically a flutist, I'm reminded of...

[Tin Can]

Wife 2 was an trained old master oil painter, NOT approved by CIA aka Cleveland Institute of Art as it was NOT au courant

Marni had several painting stolen by the gallery she was 'selling' in

2 big Teamsters found her $50k of art in Minneapolis, they returned it to her before I knew her

After our marriage she sold one to a Rock Star who donated it to The Rock and Roll Museum

The painting gave us a very good home down payment

The Punk Rock people do have money

Stiv Bators

but not on display, I think it in a home

Tell that to many successful galleries. Some of them sell more art in a day than I have in many decades of casual selling in galleries and exhibits. I'm happy with what I do, and wish them satisfaction with their trade.

[Tin Can]

The point is

don't trust art sellers

[faberryman]

"Photographer" is a general term which means one who takes photographs. My suggestion is rather than narrow the definition of "photographer", use adjectives like "professional", "amateur", "casual", "designated", " film", "digital", etc. in front of the word if you want to use it in a limited rather than general sense. That way you can save all your mental energy for defining "photograph".

[jnantz]

"Photographer" is a general term which means one who takes photographs. My suggestion is rather than narrow the definition of "photographer", use adjectives like "professional", "amateur", "casual", "designated", " film", "digital", etc. in front of the word. That way you can save all your mental energy for defining "photograph".

fantastic suggestions, although I don't really care what a photograph is, I figure it's pretty much everything and anything that might have to do with light. kind of like a "book". one just needs to suggest it's a book and it's a book.

[Michael R]

Just be careful how you decide what light is. Also what is is

fantastic suggestions, although I don't really care what a photograph is, I figure it's pretty much everything and anything that might have to do with light. kind of like a "book". one just needs to suggest it's a book and it's a book.

[jnantz]

Just be careful how you decide what light is. Also what is is

LOL. the photograph part I'm not worried about, I don't really care what a photograph is
I just want to know what or who is called a "photographer" now. Im glad I read that it had to do with printing one's own work
that always makes me cringe a little because 99.9% of working photographers don't print or develop anything they produce,
but they are alive, maybe that's the thing, you have to be alive?

[Pieter]

Now AI is thrown in just to screw things up even more.