AlanOriginally Posted by Alan Klein
I am not taking it personally, I couldn't care less if someone uses AI, you on the other hand seem to care, take it personally if someone "edits" their work, doesn't use a camera or uses a computer to make images.
The trick is to realize there is no higher order of photography, it's just photography.
so you were just joshing when you said you were in an iron lung.... I am completely offended !
but digital has already lowered the bar so anyone can call themselves a photographer.
Has anybody else noticed how quickly our internet has changed lately?
Tin Can
Automated film cameras did that long ago.
Digital didn't lower the bar. There are a few good pictures and a lot of junk, and it was always that way.
George Eastman accomplished that when he coined the term "You press the button and we do the rest"!
Finally time for 21st century pictorialism in reaction?
I consider conceptual photography to be the New Pictorialism. The difference is that if you had a classical education you had a sporting chance of discerning the idea the pictorial photographer intended to convey, not always, but frequently. With a conceptual photographer, you have to wait until he publishes his dissertation to learn the idea he is intending to convey. Then it is simply a matter of judging the credibility of the conceptional photographer and deciding whether he has successfully conveyed such idea. It is a little different approach: discerning vs. learning. If you do not have a classical education, you are in the same boat with a pictorial photographer as you are with the conceptual photographer, except you don't roll your eyes as often when you read about the idea the pictorial photographer was intending to convey.
Last edited by faberryman; 17-Apr-2023 at 19:36.
AI is the perfect medium for 21st century pictorialism!
With regard to practice rather than subject matter, pictorialism sorta paralleled the arts and crafts movement; handmade as much as possible in opposition to industrialism. (despite what most of the photographers owed to the industrial revolution) Avoiding the snapshot & documentary style. I don't think it would be compatible with AI which is handed down by big tech.
I don't have a have a classical education and indeed think those pictorialists were smarter than I in that regard. But I can and continue to learn and fill in the gaps. I've learned the religious symbolism common in art of the time, but not entirely the wider mythology and western history ideas of classical education.
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