Are there any Print Out Papers (POP) left?

[Myriophyllum]

Hi,

I've been using Centennial POP paper by Kentmere (Aristotypie) for some years.
Some of my photos here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/136145...57676072065411.
With Centennial being discontinued, APP Collodio POP is/was a equal replacement for me... it seems to be unavailable now, i still have some papers, but I have to look for something similar in future.

Any ideas what I could take? I like Adox Lupex, but it is no POP, tonality and depth are different.
I prefer surfaces like glossy baryta papers, so doing salt prints or Pd/Pt on matte paper isn't an alternative.

Greetings
Jens

[Mark Sampson]

Jens,
The last producer/retailer of PoP in the USA was Chicago Albumen Works. I think theirs was called 'Centennial' as well, perhaps it was the same Kentmere product; in any case it's been gone for some years now. c.1979/81 I was a photographer for a regional chain of portrait studios, and they still sent out unfixed 'red proofs' to their customers, in the time-honored fashion. They were made on Kodak Studio Proof paper, now long gone. I didn't realize, then, how to use that paper to make permanent prints; and I did not use large-format cameras in my personal work at the time. An opportunity missed... good luck in your search!

[jnantz]

hi jens

APP is that victor of alternative photo products ?
in one of steve anchell's darkroom cookbooks
there is a recipe that mark osterman wrote up on how to do it.
https://books.google.com/books?id=u6...totype&f=false

probably you don't want to make it yourself but just in case ...

john

[Myriophyllum]

hi jens

APP is that victor of alternative photo products ?...

probably you don't want to make it yourself but just in case ...

john

Hi John,

right, alternative photo products...
I've collected some recipes from there, some day it will be the only way to go. Not easy to do...
The main problem would be to get the surface glossy like FB paper, i could live with some handmade irregularities.

I should have concentrated more on POP since I got my first paper of that look in the 1990s (a Guilleminot POP).

Yours
Jens

[peter schrager]

I took a class at George eastman house and learned how to make the pop paper..not that hard and you're in control
Contact mark Osterman...

[peter schrager]

Maybe I should come to Germany and give a workshop

[jnantz]

Hi John,

right, alternative photo products...
I've collected some recipes from there, some day it will be the only way to go. Not easy to do...
The main problem would be to get the surface glossy like FB paper, i could live with some handmade irregularities.

I should have concentrated more on POP since I got my first paper of that look in the 1990s (a Guilleminot POP).

Yours
Jens

i've never made this tyoe of emulsion, just silver gelatin emulsion and while it seems like an extremely difficult task with lots of different
chemicals and procedures it is mostly about things being clean and amounts, like beermaking if you have ever done that... sanitary-stuff and amounts.
i made my first emulsion as a college student in the 80s, it wasn't very hard. i made some after a long hiatus a handful of months ago, again, not really hard, like
baking a loaf of bread with the last part in a red light ... seeing this paper isn't made anymore i'd look to making it yourself, there is nothing like handmade emulsion !

I took a class at George eastman house and learned how to make the pop paper..not that hard and you're in control
Contact mark Osterman...

+1

Maybe I should come to Germany and give a workshop

+1 !

talk about fun !
john

[Myriophyllum]

Hi,

thanks for all your replies, I' get me "The Darkroom Cookbook first.
I already have "The book of alternative photographic processes" by Christopher James with lots of info about POP (and so many great photographs)...

@jnanian:
funny, that you mentioned beer making, indeed I've done it.
From germinating barley for my own malt 'til breewing... It was fun. :-)

Greetings
Jens

[Joe O'Hara]

You know, I haven't tried this myself, but you might be able to used fixed-out, unhardened glossy
silver-gelatin paper as a base. It's just gelatin on top of the baryta at that point, so I don't see why
you couldn't make salt prints with it (i.e., calotypes).

I may give that a try over the holiday break if we have some sunny days, I'll let you know how it goes.

[sanking]

You know, I haven't tried this myself, but you might be able to used fixed-out, unhardened glossy silver-gelatin paper as a base. It's just gelatin on top of the baryta at that point, so I don't see why you couldn't make salt prints with it (i.e., calotypes).
I may give that a try over the holiday break if we have some sunny days, I'll let you know how it goes.

There are some issues in coating emulsions on fixed out silve gelatin papers. One person who has done this is Craig Koshyk, and you can get a .pdf document of his procedures at,

http://www.craigkoshykphoto.ca/vouloir-pouvoir.pdf

Sandy