Well perhaps you can read again and show me where I discussed depreciated value at all.Originally Posted by Leigh
As for a buyer's "stupidity," that would be your opinion and nothing more.
Well perhaps you can read again and show me where I discussed depreciated value at all.
As for a buyer's "stupidity," that would be your opinion and nothing more.
Oh, okay. To me "investment" and "value" are different. Glad that you are happy with your deal.
Yes, but apparently not here. And, yes it does seem like bragging about your sales skills, and if you make a habit of posting for sale items, I am going to have to do my due diligence on your asking prices.
The TW was actually the only item that I sold on ebay. The other stuff I mentioned was all sold right here on on this very forum. So, you're still just a very wrong, rude person, who insults strangers on the internet. Must be fun to be you.
Some differences between here and ebay:
-Ebay charges sellers a commission. We don't. Sellers must increase prices to net the same income from a sale.
-Ebay reaches a vast audience, including nearly everybody looking for any particular thing. We reserve the For-Sale forum for regular members. Thus, ebay is more likely to find a buyer more quickly, especially if the price is set aggressively for the seller.
-Ebay puts all the risk on the seller. If the buyer is unhappy for any reason (or is willing to pretend to be so), the seller will be required to make the buyer whole, even if it means the seller's loss of entire value of the item. Even if the buyer buys an expensive item, claims it is defective, and returns a completely different item, ebay will side with the buyer. This has been documented in many places, and it's one reason I no longer sell stuff on ebay. Sellers must incorporate this risk into their price in order to account for this risk. Here, buyers and sellers are on equal footings, and work out between them how they will share that risk. Much of the risk here is minimized by the relationship that buyers and sellers have, by virtue of sharing participation in the forum (assuming both are active participants). Thus, active participants are more likely to have that benefit of the doubt. Note that we have a number of members who used to be much more active than they are now (inluding me) and the standing that participation earned in the past won't be recognized by members who joined after they stopped participating as much.
-Ebay uses software that manages the price and sales transaction, right down to the shipping. We have no way of doing that, and thus the buyers and sellers must actually communicate with each other to complete the transaction. Oh, the humanity!
-Ebay is not a forum dedicated to the use of the items being sold there, and thus is not a resource for determining value (as opposed to price). (Price is how much one pays, value is whether they should buy it at all.) The vast pool of potential ebay buyers will include people who do not have the learning experience that participating in this forum imparts. That learning experience means that items that truly are valuable will be more likely to find a specialist buyer here, but sellers who hope to find a buyer willing to pay a price inconsistent with a knowledgeable understanding of value will do less well than on ebay.
-Ebay buyers are subjected to no risk of their reputations being damaged. Sellers are unable to provide poor ratings on buyers who pay quickly, but who otherwise find ways to demand partial or total refunds. Here, both buyers and sellers can report on their actual transactions, putting both on an equal footing when it comes to protecting their reputations.
-Ebay has a dispute resolution service, highly biased towards the buyer. We have no dispute resolution service and we expect buyers and sellers to work out their issues on their own.
All these differences means that the risk to sellers is higher with ebay, and the risk to buyers is higher here by comparison. That will always mean that ebay will fetch higher prices to compensate for that higher risk, not even considering the higher cost of using ebay. And buyers, because they are assuming more risk here, can expect better prices than when using ebay.
If sellers want to take that risk to get the highest possible price, that is completely fine with us. There is no reason in the world why we would want to discourage (or disparage) them from doing so. Selling large-format items anywhere in the market has the same effect on promoting the viability of the medium as selling stuff here. For example, I have in the past used the number of pages of Sinar stuff on ebay to demonstrate that Sinar is an easy kit to complete and maintain (which is a key issue of viability). Newbies might actually be better off with ebay, given the risk bias in favor of buyers, or with retailers like KEH and B&H. Clearly, a strong market for equipment promotes the viability of the medium, but that market strength does not have to all happen here.
The bottom line is that we want a service that our regular members can use to trade stuff with people they know here on the forum. That's all we ever wanted. We will never measure the effectiveness of the for-sale forum here in terms of prices or volume.
Rick "who has opened a discussion with other mods on ways we can simplify the FS rules without changing them" Denney
Your due diligence will only tell you that you're paying about what other folks are paying for the same item around the same time period. I don't get why this is so controversial.
With all due respect, your insistence on receiving affirmation of your point is in part why it seems controversial. You've made your point. Let's move on.
Rick "respectfully submitted" Denney
Don't spend that money yet. It won't really be yours until the end of March.
And PP will reach right into your bank and take it back.
Tin Can
thank goodness !
i have had bum-sales and was extremely happy to be refunded
when a seller sold me " like new, works like a charm " camera
and when it was received the film advance mechanism was jammed, there were other mechanical problems
and camera looked like it was stored in a humid barn for 50 years ..
also much easier than getting a cranky canadian who sold the same sort
of " like new, works perfect, daily user, shutter perfectly timed blah blah blah "
coupled rangefinder, but upon receipt it wasn't anything as described, and the repair guy
couldn't even remove the seized cells to cla the shutter .. in order to get a refund
it was like getting removed from ip address black list 15 years ago, but intead of leaving a polite
anonymous message on a dark web message board
i had to politely ask for the "pink international postal money order" that wouldn't cost me 80$ to cash
and in return i returned the camera, and received not only the money order but emails full of personal insults
not only directed towards ME but the wannabe hack loser of a repair guy too... if i had paypal it would have been
quick and easy without the troubles ... getting off the black list was easier too.
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