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    I never realized St Ansel's eyes were bluer than Jack Benny's...

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    Looks like 1940s Ansel in 1960s color.

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    And the lens is a 14.5 cm (22 cm + 29 cm) Zeiss Double Protar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Lindquist View Post
    And the lens is a 14.5 cm (22 cm + 29 cm) Zeiss Double Protar.
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    One of my favorites, and wouldn't that be a "triple" Protar?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Galli View Post
    One of my favorites, and wouldn't that be a "triple" Protar?
    not likely to be used on a 9 x 12 cam.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron (Netherlands) View Post
    not likely to be used on a 9 x 12 cam.....

    Could you elaborate on this Ron? The books I have indicate he used this lens on 3.25 X 4.25, 4 X 5 and 5 X 7 film. My Zeiss catalogue shows the 14.5 cm Double Protar covers an 8 3/4 inch circle "at small stops" which is cutting it close on 5X7.

    Thank you for reminding me about the bayonet fitting. I have some memory now of hearing about this years ago, probably even pre-internet!
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Lindquist View Post
    Could you elaborate on this Ron? The books I have indicate he used this lens on 3.25 X 4.25, 4 X 5 and 5 X 7 film. My Zeiss catalogue shows the 14.5 cm Double Protar covers an 8 3/4 inch circle "at small stops" which is cutting it close on 5X7.

    Thank you for reminding me about the bayonet fitting. I have some memory now of hearing about this years ago, probably even pre-internet!
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    Of course the Protar could cover upto 5 x 7 (13 x 18). Until now I have only seen this - quite big lens and bigger Compur shutter - on the 13 x 18 Juwel/Palmos/Favorit and Tropicas. Also in the catalogues the top lenses mentioned with the 9 x 12 camera seem to be the Tessars. A protar would make this little camera a bit heavy on the frontside. But might be that a Protar was on the market and - as in Ansels case - matched the new bayonet. And further, of course, a 14,5 cm lens is considered a standard lens for 9 x 12 (4 x 5) camera (I think I misread you post and saw only the 22 and 29 numerals).

    EDIT: Just had a look in the ICA-catalogue of 1925, and for a 9x12 ICA Juwel, the Double Protar VII was one of the lenses to choose from - So you must be right David. It came in 3 different focuslength: 13cm, 14,5 and 17cm According to that same catalogue, the bellows of this camera had a maximum extension of 40cm!

    Quote Originally Posted by Bill_1856 View Post
    It's interesting (to me) that this appears to be a square bodied camera (and thus a reversible back), whereas most 9x12 cameras achieved their compact size and minimal weight with a fixed back requiring rotation of the camera to go between landscape and portrait modes.
    The ICA and Zeiss Ikon cameras with square bellows of that era had rotating (I guess that is what you mean by reversible) backs. There were two flavors: a back which you had to take off before you could turn it, and a back that had springs inside and could be turned instantly. I believe that the Tropicas and the Favorites were the first to have this modern back - as already shown in a 1913 ICA-catalogue.

    Here's the back of my 10x15 Favorit that has one that can be turned instantly:




    And here's a back of my 9x12 Favorit that must be taken off before it can be turned:




    Quote Originally Posted by IanG View Post
    ICA's budget version of the Juwel the "Favorit" had the same revolving back but only double extension bellows and no drop bed or tilt
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    Yes, ....partly true...the 13x18 Favorit and Tropica also had tilt and - together with their smaller sisters (9x12 and 10x15) had all a drop bed. I guess the Favorit and Tropica where meant as a more portable model (the tropica the most expensive one of the bellows camera's).
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