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    Re: Macro lenses for a digital back

    If I were really serious about highest quality with a digital back for macro, tabletop photography I'd use a digitar lens optimized for parallelism of exit rays and at a maximum of about f/8, preferably less. I'd get the required DOF by using some of the newer focus stacking software and hardware.

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    Re: Macro lenses for a digital back

    When you do a 500 item catalog, it's not always possible to make every image from 100 captures.

    At 5.6 the result would be the sharpest, but it would take a lot of time even with an electronic rail.

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    Indeed, you'd have to automate the distance scan using a stepper motor and sync each advance to a shutter actuation. 100 actuations could be done in less than 100 seconds per image. However, a 500 item catalogue would eat up 50,000 actuations on the DSLR. I suspect it takes longer to do the setups. Such DOF may be irrelevant for your purposes though.

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    Re: Macro lenses for a digital back

    Quote Originally Posted by shlomibe View Post
    When you do a 500 item catalog, it's not always possible to make every image from 100 captures.

    At 5.6 the result would be the sharpest, but it would take a lot of time even with an electronic rail.
    None of the analog or digital lenses will be sharpest at 5.6, nor would they have their maximum coverage.
    Assuming the camera is designed for digital so it can make the small movements digital requires and that the proper exposure is used the sharpest results will be at the diffraction limited f stops. F8 to 11 on most digital lenses and F22 on most analog 45 lenses.

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    Re: Macro lenses for a digital back

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Salomon - HP Marketing View Post
    None of the analog or digital lenses will be sharpest at 5.6, nor would they have their maximum coverage.
    Assuming the camera is designed for digital so it can make the small movements digital requires and that the proper exposure is used the sharpest results will be at the diffraction limited f stops. F8 to 11 on most digital lenses and F22 on most analog 45 lenses.
    Schneider say explicitly their best sharpness is at 5.6.

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    Re: Macro lenses for a digital back

    Quote Originally Posted by shlomibe View Post
    Schneider say explicitly their best sharpness is at 5.6.
    Ask them again.

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    Re: Macro lenses for a digital back

    Quote Originally Posted by shlomibe View Post
    Pretty much.
    More accurately - I know there's a difference (in how different MF/SF lenses handles the same apertures.)
    I want to know which current or past LF lens has the best diffraction resistance - from user experience, not from manufacturer data, which I have already read.

    I know some MF lenses have very good diffraction resistance, and I would like to compare them to the best ones from LF.
    In the past I've tried Digitar M, and it was not any better than the comparable Mamiya.

    The answer: "best sharpness is in f/8" does not answer the question: "which lens has the best sharpness at f/22?"
    Schneider told me: "all lenses are crap in f/22", which in my experience is not true.

    BTW I will take film experience as well, if someone tried more than one lens and minded the diffraction performance.
    Well, if you are not going to take the word of the Schneider engineers... why would you take the word of any of the members here? You are just going to have to conduct your own tests since you are not going to take the word of anyone here or at Schneider.

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    Re: Macro lenses for a digital back

    Specifically at f/22 all the lenses the OP mentions will show about the same degree of diffraction which will be around 30µm. Any slight variation due to a particular optical design will be insignificant IMHO. More variation in resolution between the candidates mentioned will be found at the larger apertures where the optical arrangements (formulas) leads to more variation in the degree correction of the image degradation parameters.

    You don't need to do any lens testing to know the situation at f/22 insofar as diffraction is concerned.

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    Re: Macro lenses for a digital back

    Quote Originally Posted by darrelll View Post
    Well, if you are not going to take the word of the Schneider engineers... why would you take the word of any of the members here? You are just going to have to conduct your own tests since you are not going to take the word of anyone here or at Schneider.
    Schneider engineers have their commercial agenda.
    They've made a decision to optimize their digital lenses to f/5.6, and therefore have no interest to help me find the best lens for f/22.
    IMO their decision is aimed at amateurs and pixel peepers, and they aim to create lenses which will show the best possible sharpness, which due to diffraction can be achieved at f/5.6. It is useful for professional photographers - not very much.

    Regarding conducting my own tests - I would need 2-4 of the pertinent pretty expensive non refundable lenses at my disposal, which is not easy to get.
    At this point, considering the feedback and materials I got, I've arrived at the conclusion, based on impressions not on concrete tests, that MFD lenses are the best solution for me.

    Regarding "why would you take the word of any of the members here" - the reason is that forum members mostly don't have a commercial agenda.

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    Re: Macro lenses for a digital back

    Schneider's MTF charts show their digital lenses performing best at f8 or f11. I haven't seen any that were better at 5.6.

    I think you'll see some differences at f22, but they may not be differences worth paying for. At least not as far as sharpness is concerned. The digital lenses are mostly diffraction limited at this point. The better macro analog lenses will be close behind. At wider apertures the analog lenses can't compete.

    If you're looking for people with experience with these lenses on digital backs, try the getdpi.com forum.

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