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Emil Schildt

8-Jan-2019, 03:41

feel alone in here...

I have entered - for the first time of my life - a huge portrait competition...
Task: ONE portrait, made within the last year - that's it...
HOVEWER: it is for photographers - painters - sculpters - drawers - video, and what have you...
For all the Nordic countries and the eastern block....

First price is about $13.000... (85.000dkr)

How difficult can that be? 🤓

This is the image I submitted..
Goniochromatype - hand colored,,, 40x50 cm

locutus

8-Jan-2019, 10:18

Nice!

Out of curiosity, which competition is it? Fellow Nordic asking >:)

NedL

11-Jan-2019, 20:26

feel alone in here...

I have entered - for the first time of my life - a huge portrait competition...

This is the image I submitted..
Goniochromatype - hand colored,,, 40x50 cm

Good luck!

GoldMark

12-Jan-2019, 04:50

Palladium toned Van Dyke on Hahnemuhle Platinum rag. 11x14 Arista edu ultra.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181118/8d36f17afcb1f1738c5a0cfd742c14a4.jpg

Very nice vintage style and picture motive. Inspiring for me

bob carnie

12-Jan-2019, 07:20

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Images by Brendan Meadows .. these are tri or duotone over palladium.

Emil Schildt

13-Jan-2019, 06:59

Goniochromatype on glass
Simone sat for me..

Michael Roberts

14-Jan-2019, 04:14

Stunning. Well done.

Emil Schildt

23-Jan-2019, 05:02

Well.. I don't know, but I just MIGHT have stumbled over a new technique - a kind of image transfer...

Practising the awesome technique "Goniochromatype" where an image is made on glass and then backed with mother of pearl paint...

Not all results were to my liking, so I thought: why not remove the image and re-use the glass?
So I put the image in a water bath for 24 hours, and then to my BIG surprise I was able to remove the image on the paint in one piece!!
I then found a handmade vase and put the still wet image on this one...

So now I can make images on 3D objects... :D

williaty

23-Jan-2019, 17:11

Emil Schildt

24-Jan-2019, 00:17

Huh, that's pretty cool. It reminds me of a Type 69 emulsion transfer. What's the base emulsion for your process?

FOMA liquid emulsion

Vaughn

22-Feb-2019, 17:33

Platinum/palladium print, Potassium oxalate developer (110F)
5x7, FP4+, Fuji W 180mm/5.6, f/22 at 1/8 with yellow filter, early morning partial sun
Near Hualaihue, Chile

Vaughn

22-Feb-2019, 19:49

And another print from the same printing session.
Eastside of Zion National Park, from my Artist-in-residence a year ago.

Platinum/palladium print, Potassium oxalate developer (110F)
8x10, Fuji W 250/6.7, f45 at 1 second with orange filter (two stops more exposure), Acros100, Ilford PQ Universal Developer in 3005 Expert Drum

Emil Schildt

15-Mar-2019, 09:28

Goniochromatype - hand colored..

Thea posed

24x30cm

dasBlute

15-Mar-2019, 09:49

The Zion image is really gorgeous Vaughn, the delicate highlights look great even on a scan, the print must be even better, top work

Louis Pacilla

15-Mar-2019, 11:13

Goniochromatype - hand colored..

Thea posed

24x30cm

Man oh man!

I LOVE this Emil!

Great creative work as always.

Emil Schildt

15-Mar-2019, 12:07

Man oh man!

I LOVE this Emil!

Great creative work as always.

Thank you very much...
Only too a week to make.. :)

Vaughn

21-Mar-2019, 22:55

A recently printed (platinum/palladium) set of 5x7s from Chile.

Cerro Paine and Torres del Paine
Parque Nacional Torres del Paine; a short walk up the hill from the campground. In the morning, but not too early!

tgtaylor

22-Mar-2019, 11:12

Vaughn,

I don't think the 2d image is the Torres but rather Cuernos del Paine (see https://www.spiritsofsilver.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/Cuernos_del_Paine_from_Lake_Pehoe.25292820_large.jpg which is a rather short hike uphill from the main campground. I had a tourists excursion boat drop me off about 10 to 15 miles from the entrance and came upon this view as I neared the campground. Here is the real Torres which is an couple of hours uphill before daylight on a "good weather day" due to the wind at the top which becomes gusts of hurricane force as noon approaches: https://www.spiritsofsilver.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/The_Torres.242221542_large.jpg. As far as I know they are not visible from any other trail. I think that the first image is Cerro Paine Grande from Lake Pehoe.

Thomas

Vaughn

22-Mar-2019, 11:47

Both images share tripod holes.

I believe one of the towers of Torres del Paine is visible in the back behind Cuernos del Paine.

andreios

22-Mar-2019, 14:10

Beautiful image, Vaughn! I was recently thinking about something similar..

Vaughn

22-Mar-2019, 16:27

Beautiful image, Vaughn! I was recently thinking about something similar..
What I could have done is to have the camera back so I feed the film holder in from the right for the right image, then turn the back 180 degrees and feed the film holder in from the left for the left image. That would put the end of the films with the notches on either end of the panorama...sort of balanced, if one includes the rebate.

My GG has no lines or grid pattern, and it has cut corners -- neither situation especially advantageous for lining up two halves of a two-part panorama. But I was willing to be a little loose with that. I have two sets of negatives -- this set I trimmed the rebate off the notched end of the left image -- along with just a touch of the image. I do not think I would have had the guts to trim the neg if I did not have another set...but if I am going to crop, I go for it all the way! I am not done printing it yet...still some fun to have with it.

Emil Schildt

23-Mar-2019, 03:51

Started as an 18x24 cm paper negative...
Large Goniochromatype (ca 40x47cm)
Mother of pearl paint mixed with a little coffee as backing

Miguel Coquis

10-Apr-2019, 03:40

Self portrait,
Old passion, traditional process !!!
Large format Pin-hole shot followed by cyanotype print.

Vaughn

10-Apr-2019, 09:40

Fun image/print, Miguel!

GabrielSeri

10-Apr-2019, 11:23

Interesting.

Miguel Coquis

15-Apr-2019, 06:46

Yes, interesting, amazing. Sometimes unpredictable !
Fast lens, 160mm f:2 over 13x18cm negative film.
Cyanotype print.
Enjoy it!

Christopher Barrett

15-Apr-2019, 17:10

Leaves... Ware's New Cyano on Hahnemuhle Platinum Rag...

http://christopherbarrett.net/ForumImages/leaves_cyano.jpg

bob carnie

27-May-2019, 12:12

Here is a long boring video on how I separate film for tri colour gum over palladium. https://youtu.be/SUpwmox4fC8

Denny

27-May-2019, 19:42

Bob, thanks for posting that. I always like to see other methods of work. I was especially interested in the process you use for creating the Pd neg, I like your logical approach. And though I've done this many times, I didn't find the video boring at all. Very well done!

Thanks,
Denny

Stephane

1-Jun-2019, 08:33

40x50 cm gumoil print form a digi neg (original was a 4x5 negative).

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/47979402376_3362ccf4a9_b.jpg

Tin Can

1-Jun-2019, 09:07

Like!

PRJ

1-Jun-2019, 13:25

After a couple decades of not making any cyanotypes, I've started again. Soooo much easier then back in the day. Built an LED UV printer and all.

http://www.patrickjames.net/lff/Cyan-15 copy.jpg

hendrik faure

19-Jul-2019, 10:38

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View from StBlasius church tower (1580?) in Hann.Münden, Germany, by handheld cambo wide on Ilford FP4
See thread "historical buildings" for details

This is traditional copperplate héliogravure (digital interpositiv) from the 4x5 neg, printed on Hahnemühle paper with Gamblin Black bone ink, picture size about 3,6X4,8 inch.
Etching provides more details than I can see without my magnifying glass. And see some (asphalt) aquatinta points.
Etching is rather hard contrast, that I prefer for still lifes, and sometimes can not get out of my skin

DaveF

2-Sep-2019, 10:40

Delighted to be in a position to post in this thread, after having begun the alt-pro journey in earnest over the weekend with Argyrotypes and Cyanotypes, contacting-printing with a Lotus frame from 8x10 negatives from Chamonix 810V and FP4+ home-developed with Pyrocat HD, all without a darkroom.

My success-rate with the prints after 2 days and nearly 20 sheets of Bergger Cot 320 11x14 paper is about 50%. I'm learning fast myself about suitable negatives, and the vicissitudes of sunlight and humidity.

Here are representative examples of what I've managed so far (crummy iPhone images) with details. Both prints from my writing on / photographing trees 'Acontius Project'.

"Bob", argyrotype.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48642045033_c946dc39b8_c.jpg

50ºRH/23ºC at coating, pre-humidified in steam for 10 minutes (Christopher James's 'cat box' solution), exposed for 27 minutes in early morning light (Lotus 12x14 frame).
5mins in 1500ml distilled water with lemon juice then another 5 mins in tap water; 3 mins in hypo (4tsp crystals in 1500ml water); 1 hour wash. Dry flat between boards.

"Fraxinus in silvis pulcherrima", untoned cyanotype.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48666003798_4706945ed0_c.jpg

52ºRH/24ºC/exposure 18mins in morning sunlight.
5 mins in warm water/citric acid (3/4tsp and 1500ml water) and washed twice more in warm water for 10 mins further.

Bill Rolph

21-Sep-2019, 16:48

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48772076911_7ed9deb67a_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2hiPDgM)Still Life #1 (https://flic.kr/p/2hiPDgM) by Bill (https://www.flickr.com/photos/149475521@N02/), on Flickr

Salt print on watercolour paper from a whole plate collodion glass negative. All the smudges and artifacting are from the negative, not the print, but I'm not entirely sure why they're there. The subject is a gallon glass jug full of soap bubbles that caught my eye as I was washing it.

Vaughn

22-Sep-2019, 20:28

A platinum/palladium print I made a couple days ago. 5.5"x14" negative from my last trip to Zion (April 2019). Warm Potassium oxalate developer.

Not a great digital reproduction (need to buy PhotoShop), but you'll get the idea.

Chamonix 11x14 w/ modified darkslide, Fuji W 360mm, FP4+ in PyrocatHD

carbo73

25-Sep-2019, 14:57

DaveF

27-Sep-2019, 10:48

They look gorgeous DaveF. I have done some kallitypes and cyanotypes, with mixed results. As I have not much time left for trials. Most of my problems are subexposed prints, mostly with cyanotypes. My success rate is lower, about 25-33%. But I'm going to buy some UV lights to try at least to have an uniform light source, and hopefuly now I have a bit more time somedays...

That's very kind. I am yet to frame them, esp. as am a bit timid about permanence. I suppose I should gold-tone the argyrotypes but it's expensive and quite hard to get hold of here I think.

Jimi

28-Sep-2019, 00:42

[QUOTE=DaveF;1518671I suppose I should gold-tone the argyrotypes but it's expensive and quite hard to get hold of here I think.[/QUOTE]

Expensive yes, but available at https://www.ag-photographic.co.uk (assuming you are located in the UK) for example. Always wanted to try out Argyrotypes, it looks really great.

DaveF

29-Sep-2019, 05:31

Expensive yes, but available at https://www.ag-photographic.co.uk (assuming you are located in the UK) for example. Always wanted to try out Argyrotypes, it looks really great.

Thanks for that- not sure the Tetenal stuff is quite what I need though - gold ammonium thiocyanate. I'm still very new to all this so I may of course be entirely wrong!

Meanwhile, here are a couple more successful efforts with Argyrotype from me. As before, both 8x10 contact prints on 11x14 Bergger Cot 320 paper in Lotus printing frame; Chamonix 810V and Nikkor-SW 150 f/8 (FP4+ processed in Pyrocat HD / BTZS Tubes)

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48671819858_1ec45f4eb6_b.jpg

and

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48671725913_1e9bc4006d_b.jpg

So far all exposed with sunlight. I'll try to get a lamp setup soon to get some more done. Work getting in the way somewhat...!

awty

30-Sep-2019, 16:03

Thanks for that- not sure the Tetenal stuff is quite what I need though - gold ammonium thiocyanate. I'm still very new to all this so I may of course be entirely wrong!

Meanwhile, here are a couple more successful efforts with Argyrotype from me. As before, both 8x10 contact prints on 11x14 Bergger Cot 320 paper in Lotus printing frame; Chamonix 810V and Nikkor-SW 150 f/8 (FP4+ processed in Pyrocat HD / BTZS Tubes)

and

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48671725913_1e9bc4006d_b.jpg

So far all exposed with sunlight. I'll try to get a lamp setup soon to get some more done. Work getting in the way somewhat...!

Nicely done, I like the eyes peering at you from the back wall.

awty

30-Sep-2019, 16:08

"Steve" a little crinkly.
https://live.staticflickr.com/4884/45734442094_5f684faa6e_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2cFoYgG)Vandyke Brown, Gold leaf. (https://flic.kr/p/2cFoYgG) by Paul Fitz (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144284773@N06/), on Flickr

8x10 contact print on Vandyke Brown emulation painted on some baking paper, processed, then fake gold leaf applied to the back.

8x10 f250 pinhole camera with foma 100.

Holdenrichards

8-Oct-2019, 14:08

Have been working all summer toward a show in Nov called Materiality/Process at the Durham Arts Council. I intend to present images in different Alternative print medims. These are some I've done this year. Clockwise: Cyanotype, Kallitype, Salt, and Gum Bichromate. Negative created by contact printing silver positive on to 8x10 Kodak Ektascan B-ra X-ray film

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48856528038_4fd689cf22_z_d.jpg

NedL

8-Oct-2019, 19:22

Have been working all summer toward a show in Nov....

Very cool! Of course I love the salt print!

Jimi

9-Oct-2019, 00:44

"Steve" a little crinkly.

Crinkly perhaps (as is the tree itself) but the print has a wonderful presence. Well seen and well done!

awty

9-Oct-2019, 01:37

Have been working all summer toward a show in Nov called Materiality/Process at the Durham Arts Council. I intend to present images in different Alternative print medims. These are some I've done this year. Clockwise: Cyanotype, Kallitype, Salt, and Gum Bichromate. Negative created by contact printing silver positive on to 8x10 Kodak
Yes very nice, x2 with the salt print, although all very good.
Just curious did you have to use a low contrast print to control the contrast with the xray film?

awty

9-Oct-2019, 01:39

Crinkly perhaps (as is the tree itself) but the print has a wonderful presence. Well seen and well done!

Thanks Jimi, I'm a little crinkly as well.

Holdenrichards

9-Oct-2019, 05:46

Yes very nice, x2 with the salt print, although all very good.
Just curious did you have to use a low contrast print to control the contrast with the xray film?

Ektascan is made for detailed radiology and is single emulsion so it has a much finer grain and softer curve than regular 2 sided xray. The print you use does matter but I've used normal contrast prints to make fine negs with this particular film

carbo73

10-Oct-2019, 14:47

Have been working all summer toward a show in Nov called Materiality/Process at the Durham Arts Council. I intend to present images in different Alternative print medims. These are some I've done this year. Clockwise: Cyanotype, Kallitype, Salt, and Gum Bichromate. Negative created by contact printing silver positive on to 8x10 Kodak Ektascan B-ra X-ray film

That's a wonderful comparison, many thanks. By now I have only minor experiences with cyanotypes & kallitypes, with mixed results. Sun exposure is way unreliable, so I'm in the process of building a kind of UV box. Hope it works.

Holdenrichards

11-Oct-2019, 19:06

That's a wonderful comparison, many thanks. By now I have only minor experiences with cyanotypes & kallitypes, with mixed results. Sun exposure is way unreliable, so I'm in the process of building a kind of UV box. Hope it works.

UVbox is the way to go for sure

pau3

12-Oct-2019, 10:09

NedL

12-Oct-2019, 10:41

I know this isn't a popular opinion, but I much prefer using the sun. UV lamps mostly for test prints.
I suspect it might not matter as much if you use DN.

Erik Larsen

12-Oct-2019, 11:57

Some cedars from a recent fishing trip to Idaho. 8x10 FP4. Van Dyke print on HPR. Digineg used.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191012/b9589f808991c3c8880d8862fe860ed8.jpg

jon.oman

12-Oct-2019, 12:49

Nice one Erik, this one works well as a Van Dyke.

Jim Noel

12-Oct-2019, 13:08

I did build mine, with uv fluorescent tubes. Not pretty, but it did make the difference in my work.

Best,
Pau

I have a fluo box which I built years ago, and a NuArc. with the slower processes like cyanotype and salt I prefer the sun. I have a UV meter which cost me 1/2 as much as materials to build the fluo box and very accurately tells me how many units of Uv the print is receiving. I have had the meter about 2 years so it should still be available on the web.

Erik Larsen

12-Oct-2019, 21:22

Nice one Erik, this one works well as a Van Dyke.

Thanks Jon, I Agree I kinda like the warmth it adds.

Tri Tran

28-Nov-2019, 17:52

Happy Thanksgiving.
The Grotto
8x10 Carbon transfer print
18in TT signature lens

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/924/ODi5Fd.png (https://imageshack.com/i/poODi5Fdp)

Peabodius

2-Dec-2019, 19:15

Relatively new to the forum. I found it while researching Petzval style lenses, and then also stumbled across this thread. Wonderful information, not to mention the great work everyone is sharing.

Most of my alt. process stuff has been with casein bichromate. I love color, but I don't find RA processing to be very gratifying (certainly not like the control you have in the black and white darkroom). Bichromate let me hand print in color, and have a ton of control over the look of the print.

Everything is shot on 4x5 Ektar100, scanned to digital, and separated in Photoshop. Negatives were printed on transparency sheets at 40"x50" size. The UV box is a monster that I constructed using several 48" UV fluorescents. Monster sink, monster paper, etc, etc. I've since moved, and no longer have the darkroom setup (although I did bring the UV box). I plan on scaling down the size and continuing to use the process. 40x50 is just not easy to make, although I did get some nice prints eventually.

Any comments or questions are welcome. I don't know anyone else doing non-silver processes at large sizes, but I'm sure someone is. I'd be happy to share my experiences, and equally happy to soak up someone else's insight.

198094. 198095

scheinfluger_77

3-Dec-2019, 04:32

Peabodius those are very cool images. Welcome to the forum.

pau3

3-Jan-2020, 02:12

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49321074782_146bfac2bd_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2i9kpdj)

Castiñeiro de Entrambosríos (https://flic.kr/p/2i9kpdj) by Pau Martín (https://www.flickr.com/photos/27566883@N06/), on Flickr.

Palladium print on gampi paper from a 8x10 negative.

CreationBear

3-Jan-2020, 07:26

Palladium print on gampi paper from a 8x10 negative.

Wonderful...such a great combination of subject and medium.:)

pau3

3-Jan-2020, 10:33

Thanks!

Best, Pau

apt

8-Feb-2020, 02:24

I have been experimenting with albumen on glass - so far with limited success. This is a contact print from a 4x5 negative.

200422

Philippe Grunchec

8-Feb-2020, 04:33

pau3

9-Feb-2020, 04:07

Great picture! Which gampi did you use?

Philippe,

thanks!

It is a very thin gampi paper, handmade. I don't know exactly the weight,
but it is around 20grs/m2. If you blow, it goes away. It is rather difficult to find.
I buy it locally - in Barcelona -, where it comes directly from the maker. As far as
I understand, last shipment was gone in less than a week (three buyers, in total),
after two years waiting for its arrival. At the shop, they code it by "ganhas".
Sorry, I don't remember the name of the master maker.

I like the paper because is so thin that it almost doesn't exist. Light goes through it, and
bounces back from whatever is behind. With the right chemistry, it gives a special
depth to the image. It needs a lot of chemistry, though, at least twice - almost three times -
the quantity needed on Arches platinum, for instance.

I also use sometimes kozo paper. Not so thin, but nice also. Easier to work with.

pau3

2-May-2020, 03:58

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49845503842_39335686bb_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2iWFeGE)
Carrer del Berlinès, Barcelona (https://flic.kr/p/2iWFeGE) by Pau Martín (https://www.flickr.com/photos/27566883@N06/), on Flickr

Palladium print from a 8x10 negative on gampi paper. The lens was a Fujinon A 300,
on Foma 200, rated at 100. Developed in tray with 510-pyro.

Philippe Grunchec

2-May-2020, 07:30

Nice!
Homage to Sudek?

pau3

2-May-2020, 08:09

Nice!
Homage to Sudek?

Thanks a lot. To be compared with Sudek is a great compliment.
Although I wasn't trying to mimic his style in this particular shot,
at least not at the moment I took it, I cannot deny that I am deeply
in love with his work.

Dan Dozer

2-May-2020, 13:54

Bromoil with liquid emulsion from 8 x 10 negative

DaveF

2-Jun-2020, 11:13

Clematis Argyrotype

Always a delight when these turn out.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49964326652_868689f9d6_k.jpg

Original exposure details:
25th April 2020 3:15pm
Chamonix 810V
Nikkor-W 300 f/5.6
@ilfordphoto FP4+ 8x10
760mm bellows extension, with extension board
(Working distance 550mm)
1min 20 seconds f/16

Stearman SP810 tray, Pyrocat HD 2:2:100, 12’, 21ºC
Acetic acid stop, TF-4 Fix, Hypoclear, wash, Ilfotol rinse

Print:
31st May 2020, mid-afternoon
28ºC, relative humidity 45%
3ml Fotospeed Argyrotype sensitizer + 1 drop of let-down Tween 20, Bergger Cot320 11x14" paper.
Paper dried for approx 30 mins before exposure.
8'15" in full sun, Lotus 12x16" frame
5mins wash in 1.5l distilled water + squeeze lemon juice
5mins wash in 1.5l tap water
3mins wash in 2% hypo (4.5tbps to 1.5l tap water)
1 hour final soak (30mins face down, 30mins face up) in 3l tap water. Dried on clothes rack for a few hours, then dried for 2 days under boards (usually a week, but unseasonably hot weather!)

My eagerness to get working has tended to get the better of me: sometimes I expose the paper too soon and too much of the print washes off. Now I know that about 30mins in warm conditions is enough time to make a good print.

Tin Can

2-Jun-2020, 11:25

Wow

Nice print!

Fantastic documentation

One question

How did you digitize?

DaveF

2-Jun-2020, 12:39

Thanks!
Apologies: Nikon D800E and 85PC-E tilt-shift, tripod. 2-frame stitch. Print just lying on large photobook on floor (dried flat quickly in this warm weather we're having).
For printing, basically following Christopher James' instructions. UK Fotospeed sensitizer comes in handy 50ml bottles, though larger sizes are also available.

Wow

Nice print!

Fantastic documentation

One question

How did you digitize?

Tin Can

2-Jun-2020, 12:42

Thank you!

I knew you didn't use a cell phone!

Thanks!
Apologies: Nikon D800E and 85PC-E tilt-shift, tripod. 2-frame stitch. Print just lying on large photobook on floor (dried flat quickly in this warm weather we're having).
For printing, basically following Christopher James' instructions. UK Fotospeed sensitizer comes in handy 50ml bottles, though larger sizes are also available.

David Schaller

2-Jun-2020, 13:41

DaveF

2-Jun-2020, 14:19

Many thanks. I don't recall the details, but the premixed sensitizer has a good shelf life. Certainly better iirc than 2-part old cyanotype (the only other alt process I've yet tried).

Let me add my thanks! You've piqued my interest in this process. I guess here in the US, we would have to mix our own sensitizer. I'd be interested to know if anyone has done so.

David Schaller

2-Jun-2020, 15:01

Thanks Dave. That’s good to know. I just have to look into sourcing the chemicals.
I should have also said: great image!

DaveF

3-Jun-2020, 03:28

Many thanks. Definitely one to put in a frame!

I was going to do some more today, but it's raining; shouldn't have said anything about the weather! I have a UV lamp for indoors but the exposure times for it are frustratingly lengthy, and I don't like to use too much equipment for these in any case. The wow of the simplicity!
I'm still learning, and it can be hit and miss with choice of negatives. Since I have a minimalist setup I enjoy the experimentation, and am also now recognising how more accurate I need to be in my film development for this process than simply for scanning.

Thanks Dave. That’s good to know. I just have to look into sourcing the chemicals.
I should have also said: great image!

DaveF

16-Sep-2020, 06:37

Another Argyrotype from me

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50345888208_f4f1173d7e_h.jpg

Isle of Bute, Scotland

Exposure
14th August 2020, 7:23pm
Chamonix 810V, Nikkor-M 450mm f/9
Ilford FP4+ 10x8 @ 64
2½” f/45, Lee 23a Light Red filter
23mm front rise
N-1 dev, Pyrocat HD 2:2:100, 8'24" 22ºC

Print
13th September 2020
Chemistry:
3ml Fotospeed Argyrotype Sensitizer with 1 drop let-down Tween 20, applied with Daler Rowney 60mm Hake Brush.
Paper:
Bergger Cot320 11x14", dried 45mins, 54%RH, 23ºC, then sandwiched in cut-down Crystal Clear envelope, with neg on top.
Exposure:
Lotus 12x16" contact-printing frame; full sun 8mins, 1:15pm
Wash:
5mins wash in distilled water/squeeze of lemon juice
5mins wash in tap water
3mins wash in hypo
1hr final soak (30mins each side) in tap water

Dried flat between boards for 48 hours

Digitisation: Nikon D800E/85PC-E tilt-shift (two-frame stitch)

Ironage

25-Sep-2020, 17:59

Here is a 5x7 contact printed cyanotype. The monster growing in the park behind my condo.
208050

Vaughn

25-Sep-2020, 19:10

Hello, Dave -- except for the stone fence I would have guess a location shot for High Plains Drifter (Mono Lake, CA). It gives me the feeling it was a warm August day on the Isle of Bute, tho I suppose a warm day might be 22C.
It has a good balance to it - determining how much sky vs foreground can keep me under the darkcloth awhile.

Vaughn

25-Sep-2020, 19:14

Here is a 5x7 contact printed cyanotype. The monster growing in the park behind my condo.

You need goats on trampolines. Have you tried even closer to the monster -- sort of raking its whole side using a little swing on the 5x7?

Erik Larsen

25-Sep-2020, 19:21

DaveF

26-Sep-2020, 08:00

Thanks for the comments guys: yes sometimes 10x8s come out rather differently than you might expect for the typical imagery of the location! I would probably have used a grad instead of a red filter (which had little effect!) but otherwise I like this, especially the tone, and will probably frame it. I also have colour version on Provia for a very different feel.

Punker

1-Oct-2020, 17:40

One of my first albumen prints from a 4x5 collodion negative.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50185281242_d3857c30ed_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2jsGFFG)

tgtaylor

1-Oct-2020, 20:05

Good work Nick and I like the subject matter!

Here's my first albumin print from earlier this year:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50406542081_88a4444fed_o.jpg

From a 5x7 FP4+ negative printed in the sun on cot 160 paper. The albumin was made using ammonium chloride and the print was to toned to completion (~ 25 minutes) with gold chloride.

Thomas

pau3

1-Oct-2020, 23:33

One of my first albumen prints from a 4x5 collodion negative.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50185281242_d3857c30ed_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2jsGFFG)

This is very nice, at all levels. Congratulations.

Punker

2-Oct-2020, 10:14

This is very nice, at all levels. Congratulations.

Thank you!

richydicky

5-Oct-2020, 00:21

Let me add my thanks! You've piqued my interest in this process. I guess here in the US, we would have to mix our own sensitizer. I'd be interested to know if anyone has done so.

I'm pretty sure Freestyle used to stock the Fotospeed Argyrotype but I have just checked and see that they appear to be clearing out all Fotospeed products which would be a shame as they produce some good materials. Maybe worth checking with Freestyle.

arri

6-Oct-2020, 21:32

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49925841621_d53ed1e59a_h.jpg

Original taken with Voigtlander Collinear 132mm f/6.8 (made in 1913) Sheet film 4x5", Adox FX-39 II, Cyanotype on Hahnemuehle 425g/m²

NHE

9-Oct-2020, 12:53

https://www.dropbox.com/s/jgyour462ih9rrf/IMG_5301.jpg?raw=1

8x10 Palladium print(with a few drops of platinum) of a rose bush in my yard. I used Delta 100 and a Nikkor M 450mm.

tgtaylor

10-Oct-2020, 13:59

Inspiring!

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50447110571_1dc0979bb7_z.jpg

Palladium-toned Van Dyke. Delta 100, 480mm Apo Ronar, Cot 320.

David Schaller

10-Oct-2020, 18:43

Bravo! Just perfect. Exquisite tones.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/jgyour462ih9rrf/IMG_5301.jpg?raw=1

8x10 Palladium print(with a few drops of platinum) of a rose bush in my yard. I used Delta 100 and a Nikkor M 450mm.

John Layton

11-Oct-2020, 17:25

Thomas...those two doors look familiar - Bodie?

NHE

11-Oct-2020, 18:34

Bravo! Just perfect. Exquisite tones.

Thanks David, I was quite fortunate the light and wind cooperated on that day!

PRJ

12-Oct-2020, 19:53

About a year and a half ago I built a UV printer and was thinking of working my way through different processes. I got as far a cyanotypes. Lol. I did a couple hundred in a short time aided by the ridiculous amount of light the UV leds were putting out. I got it all worked out then I haven't done anything since except to do some toning a month or so ago. Here are a couple. I'd post more of them but most of them started out in smaller formats so I can't post them of course. Maybe over the winter I'll pick it all back up, especially seeing some of the work in this thread. I'll probably give bichromate and gumoil prints a go next.

http://www.patrickjames.net/lff/Cyan-12copy.jpg

http://www.patrickjames.net/lff/Cyan-15copy.jpg

tgtaylor

13-Oct-2020, 11:39

Thomas...those two doors look familiar - Bodie?

Yeah - right across the street from the hotel and I.O.O.F hall on Main street. I shot the negative and printed it as a Van Dyke several years back but then decided that the structure wasn't very appealing but mounted it on 2-ply mat board instead of the 4-ply that I usually use and didn't place it in a protective sleeve so what appears to be a very slight cloud on the right and the left side could be abrasive damage from storage in a print rack with other prints. The bottom of the mat window is soiled apparently from flipping through the prints and handling. Anyway, I came across it a couple of days ago and now have a better opinion of it. The printing quality is very good with the foreground grasses in sharp focus.

vnukov_pk

6-Nov-2020, 11:58

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Van dyke brown from 13*18 fomapan 100 shot with unnamed rapid aplanat

Ironage

17-Nov-2020, 13:19

Here is a 5x7 cyanotype toned in coffee and watercolors. After halloween.

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Ironage

6-Dec-2020, 19:39

Here is another coffee toned cyanotype. This time taken with my cobbled together steampunk kodak 5x7 instamatic camera. 210247
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h2oman

6-Dec-2020, 20:13

Here is a 5x7 cyanotype toned in coffee and watercolors. After halloween.

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Love the mouth!

Punker

7-Dec-2020, 17:20

Here is a 5x7 cyanotype toned in coffee and watercolors. After halloween.

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Exceptional!

Emil Schildt

12-Dec-2020, 13:58

My life is still on hold - nobody knows for how long..
No darkroom work or photography for a year...

But I am lucky (for now) to have a bundle of unfinished prints here, so I have spent some time finishing some of them - what I do when through them, I don't know... probably panicking.

Found this big portrait (75x107cm) and finished - quite satisfied with it...

Paper negative (13x18)
Liquid emulsion
Toned and hand coloured..

Emil Schildt

24-Dec-2020, 09:18

Merry Christmas for those that celebrate...

Using my free time to play around..

Found an oldie... now toned and hand coloured..

50x67cm

Painted with light - pol 665 as negative

Jim Noel

24-Dec-2020, 23:02

Merry Christmas to you Emil. [I]'m certain everyone is happy to see the images you are finishing.
Hopefully 2021 will see all of us have a better year.
Jim

Emil Schildt

25-Dec-2020, 04:15

Merry Christmas to you Emil. [I]'m certain everyone is happy to see the images you are finishing.
Hopefully 2021 will see all of us have a better year.
Jim

thank you Jim. Merry Christmas to you too..

Steven Tribe

25-Dec-2020, 04:41

Nice to see you back here Emil - we have been worried!

I hope your hardware collection has found homes which appreciate them and use them - although, unfortunately not to artistic
Levels you reach!

Emil Schildt

25-Dec-2020, 06:15

Nice to see you back here Emil - we have been worried!

I hope your hardware collection has found homes which appreciate them and use them - although, unfortunately not to artistic
Levels you reach!

Hi Steven - thank you - I am not really back, but I am "playing" with older stuff..

Most lenses are gone - it is ok I think, as I have a few left I can use when I hopefully will get back to "work".

Merry Christmas to you and yours..

Jody_S

25-Dec-2020, 20:47

Hi Steven - thank you - I am not really back, but I am "playing" with older stuff..

Most lenses are gone - it is ok I think, as I have a few left I can use when I hopefully will get back to "work".

Merry Christmas to you and yours..

Also happy to see you posting again. And you of all people should be able to make images without a collection of exotic lenses. Though I'm sure it hurt to see them go.

Emil Schildt

28-Dec-2020, 12:01

Last portrait this year?

Hopelessly under developed, so I had to play with colours and retouching ink..

Thea is her name..

Happy New Year to you..

Emil Schildt

2-Jan-2021, 04:52

Happy New to all of you...

Some of you know a little of how my life is right now...
But it is a new year, and I will try and "attack" it and turn things around..

One good thing is, my gallerist loves my images, and he has come and taken a bundle for framing and selling..

Among them is this.
Could be a New Year's night - very late...
The poor guy doesn't have a chance.. women rule!

Painted with light - hand coloured.

75x107cm

Dan Dozer

2-Jan-2021, 08:05

Hi Emil- I'm a huge fan of your work - so creative and inspirational (and I have two of your books). While I'm still very new to this liquid emulsion work, your processes have given me the motivation to make it my primary direction these days. Here are a couple of my humble beginnings with liquid emulsion and am now beginning the treck into Bromoils. Please keep showing us more of your work.

Dan

Emil Schildt

2-Jan-2021, 08:25

Dan Dozer

2-Jan-2021, 08:33

Thanks Emil - I still haven't gotten the confidence to scratch my "darlings" yet, but that is coming. And plain black bromoils now seem pretty boring to me - colors are way more fun!

Emil Schildt

6-Jan-2021, 09:50

Portrait of Eva..

Liquid emulsion on paper - hand coloured..

13x18cm paper negative

50x67cm

Tin Can

1-Feb-2021, 11:34

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50898266648_0b4258b238_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2kxGVpw)LIE HATE 1997 2 of 6 (https://flic.kr/p/2kxGVpw) by TIN CAN COLLEGE (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tincancollege/), on Flickr

martiansea

21-Feb-2021, 13:33

Kallitype, approx 8x10", on H. Platinum Rag. Selenium toned. Shot on 4x5 Artista litho film with my Cambo. Imacon scanned and edited in photoshop to remove dust and make it printable - it was a very thin negative.
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Here's a split-tone cyanotype, approx 8x10-ish on COT320. Shot on 120 FP4 using a Graphic 23 6x9 back on the Cambo. Developed with pyro. Scanned and kept the yellow pyro tone (didn't convert to grayscale) and printed the enlarged inkjet negative with minimum editing. Didn't touch the contrast curve at all! Just let the pyro do its thing and cool to see it translate through even after being digitized.
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TimberwolfII

28-Feb-2021, 07:25

(1st ever) Bromoil. Off a 5x7 fomapan 400 negative.

Ancient Hawthorne in Thackthwaite NW Lakedistrict England.

I’ve posted a request for help on bromoil technique over on the darkroom forum if Emil or anyone else has some insight.....please :confused:

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h2oman

28-Feb-2021, 08:14

Great subject for alternative process! I'll look forward to maybe some future attempts?

TimberwolfII

28-Feb-2021, 09:36

I certainly hope so h20man. Plenty to shoot round here. Just need to get this technique nailed down!

urnem57

28-Feb-2021, 10:54

Hi Emil - These are very creative and well executed.

Emil Schildt

28-Feb-2021, 12:04

Hi Emil - These are very creative and well executed.

thanks a lot

chuck461

31-Mar-2021, 04:34

I've been struggling with Salt Prints for quite a while now. I finally made a couple that I'm not afraid to show.

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Virgin Hemlock trail, March 28, 2021

Tin Can

31-Mar-2021, 04:35

Like!

I've been struggling with Salt Prints for quite a while now. I finally made a couple that I'm not afraid to show.

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Virgin Hemlock trail, March 28, 2021

Vaughn

4-Apr-2021, 11:19

Hanging out with a few new platinum prints at the gallery a couple days ago...

Top images are from 5.5x14 negs, the waterfall is a cropped 8x10,

Roger Thoms

4-Apr-2021, 17:00

Nice Vaughn, didn’t see any show announcement, what gallery? What are the dates?

Roger

Vaughn

4-Apr-2021, 21:53

Oh...just a local show in a cooperative gallery I belong to here in Humboldt County. My sister was in town and snapped the photo on Friday morning and the show came down the next day after I got my 2nd vac shot. The show was a great excuse to do new printing and get things matted and in frames. These are home now and I get to enjoy them, as I had framed them only a day of two before I had to hang them. One or two of the 5.5x14 prints (framed 12x22) might go back into the gallery -- we are given around 4'x8' of wall space each normally...but each member expands into the front space once a year. So I always have work up -- just not as much. There were three new 5x7 platinums framed 11x14 in the show that will go back into the gallery...they are pretty sweet, too...includes the one below that I have shown here before, but finally matted and framed it.

Also, here is the front of the gallery -- I rode my bike in and met my sister. I also took the creek image while taking a ~25 mile ride on the bike (mixed single-track/dirt road/pavement).

PS -- The Arcata Artisans Cooperative Gallery, On the Arcata Plaza

CreationBear

5-Apr-2021, 06:25

Top images are from 5.5x14 negs, the waterfall is a cropped 8x10,

Very cool--I'm curious if you have a particular aesthetic when it comes to providing a white rebate around the print area, since some of the images seem offset within the frame. It's a neat effect, though it might be to just give you more space to write down the pricing options...:)

Vaughn

5-Apr-2021, 08:41

Generally about a half inch more weight on the bottom...sometimes a little more with vertical images. Aim for about 3" to 4" of mat border. Still working on mat sizes for 11x14s -- 12x22 for the half-frame seems to be good...so for full frame I might try 18x22 and save the 16x20 frames for the 8x10s.

No pricing (size) options - contacts only...:cool:

CreationBear

5-Apr-2021, 08:55

Excellent, that's great info--especially like the effect on your skinny portrait orientation works.

Vaughn

5-Apr-2021, 15:01

It is all so objective. I have been using 12x16 for 5x7s and 4x10s. It is so handy to keep the number of different frame sizes down. But I matted three 5x7s in 11x14 frames for this last show and I think I'll continue...and save the 12x16 frames for the 4x10 images.

Tin Can

5-Apr-2021, 15:26

Like all

D. Mesa

12-Apr-2021, 22:59

second shot at cyanotype. old formula.

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D. Mesa

13-Apr-2021, 18:11

toned it in some walnuts overnight

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Randy

14-Apr-2021, 16:13

toned it in some walnuts overnight

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Can you explain your overnight walnut method / formula? I like it.

D. Mesa

14-Apr-2021, 17:56

Honestly I had never done it before but saw a brief note of it in one of my books and had a handful of old walnuts sitting on my counter for months, so gave it a shot. This was only ~10 crushed walnut husks steeped in boiling water for 4-5 hrs. A very weak tea. Strained through a coffee filter.

If I did it again I would want a stronger solution for more immediately compelling results, but I agree that the prolonged soak achieved a pretty nice result. Pre-washed the dried cyanotype (was dry for around 20hrs) in tap water and then soaked it face down in the walnut tea for ~10hrs. The samples that I bleached did not turn out desirably.

Tin Can

15-Apr-2021, 04:17

Also like

Honestly I had never done it before but saw a brief note of it in one of my books and had a handful of old walnuts sitting on my counter for months, so gave it a shot. This was only ~10 crushed walnut husks steeped in boiling water for 4-5 hrs. A very weak tea. Strained through a coffee filter.

If I did it again I would want a stronger solution for more immediately compelling results, but I agree that the prolonged soak achieved a pretty nice result. Pre-washed the dried cyanotype (was dry for around 20hrs) in tap water and then soaked it face down in the walnut tea for ~10hrs. The samples that I bleached did not turn out desirably.

CreationBear

15-Apr-2021, 06:15

Also like

Ha, Randy--speaking of dyes and Civil War trivia, the folks in your part of the world used to be called "Butternuts" because they used white walnut (Juglans cinrea) to dye their homespun linen. (The connection with the famous "butternut" brown/gray of CSA uniforms was more about the color association than actual manufacture, though.)

Emil Schildt

15-Apr-2021, 07:48

D. Mesa

22-Apr-2021, 01:16

couple more traditional cyanotype, 5x7 Fomapan 100, Sironar-N 180mm f/5.6

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Punker

22-Apr-2021, 17:38

martiansea

20-May-2021, 11:05

couple more traditional cyanotype, 5x7 Fomapan 100, Sironar-N 180mm f/5.6

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215173

Good tonality! Nice to see the highlights didn't get all blocked out

martiansea

20-May-2021, 11:11

Coyote skull study. Cyanotype, traditional formula, toned in coffee, then split-toned with washing soda bleach. Paper is Crane's Cover 90.
Printed from 5x7 negative. HP5+, metered at ISO200 and developed in Perceptol, rotary processed. B&J View Camera with Wollensak Raptar 209mm
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Rick L

21-May-2021, 17:59

third times the charm

first two attempts at a salt print failed - this one is not perfect but much better, I am guessing it needs just a little more exposure to get some black into it

since the house was built in 1830, a salt print seemed appropriate

image taken on Ilford fp4 with a 5x7 Kodak Empire State camera and a Gundlach 6 ½ by 8 ½ symmetrical lens

johnasavoia

21-Jun-2021, 06:14

The summer solstice just passed, and I pulled the wooden box pinhole that I've had sitting in the window since the winter solstice down to scan the solargraph exposing inside it.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51260787034_d984380893_h.jpg
Already replaced the camera, as well as a cylindrical paint can pinhole next to it, for 1 year exposures to be pulled on the 2022 summer solstice.

Tin Can

21-Jun-2021, 07:04

Wow!

the summer solstice just passed, and i pulled the wooden box pinhole that i've had sitting in the window since the winter solstice down to scan the solargraph exposing inside it.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51260787034_d984380893_h.jpg
already replaced the camera, as well as a cylindrical paint can pinhole next to it, for 1 year exposures to be pulled on the 2022 summer solstice.

esearing

22-Jun-2021, 13:41

The summer solstice just passed, and I pulled the wooden box pinhole that I've had sitting in the window since the winter solstice down to scan the solargraph exposing inside it.
Already replaced the camera, as well as a cylindrical paint can pinhole next to it, for 1 year exposures to be pulled on the 2022 summer solstice.

That is cool - What paper are you using?

ImSoNegative

22-Jun-2021, 13:51

Gold-toned vandyke from 4x5 negative enlarged to 8x10 then contact printed onto 8x10 x-ray film https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210622/b860ea1195648b81f36603eb45391ee1.jpg

Sent from my SM-S215DL using Tapatalk

Ironage

22-Jun-2021, 15:45

Imsonegative. I love that composition. It really works.

CreationBear

22-Jun-2021, 16:31

Gold-toned vandyke

Very cool--I'm starting to set up to do some kallitypes so I monitor this thread closely. (FWIW my next door neighbor here in the Knoxville was born in Copperhill in the 1920's--"Daddy" worked on the L&N--apparently getting out of that country on old Hwy. 68 wasn't for the faint of heart.:))

johnasavoia

22-Jun-2021, 17:23

That is cool - What paper are you using?

Ilford MGIV RC pearl, lately I've been using Arista EDU Ultra semi matte which seems to develop a deeper image quicker for non-pinhole "short exposure" solargraphs and really enjoying the results.

ImSoNegative

22-Jun-2021, 18:49

Imsonegative. I love that composition. It really works.

thanks so much

martiansea

23-Jun-2021, 11:32

Two experimental Kallitypes I made last night. Shows some promise. These were made based on Richard Puckett's "dry" print out platinum technique, except using silver. The reddish brown image on the left is 20% silver nitrate mixed with the special ammonium ferric ferrous oxalate and printed out. The more blue gray one on the right is the result of exposing with only the AFFO on the paper, and then brushing silver nitrate on it after exposure, then processing as usual (wash and fix, no developer needed with these techniques). I think the one on the right needed at least another minute or two exposure to look its best.
These are printed directly from a 5x7 negative, HP5+. It's fairly contrasty and dense in the highlights.
http://entropyandchaos.com/foto/imgpost/experimentalkallitypes.jpg

revdoc

25-Jun-2021, 18:11

Near Hartley Vale Rd, June 5, 2021.

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Foma 100, 8x10 pinhole, platinum-toned VDB.

Dan Dozer

1-Aug-2021, 22:19

Not quite sure what I've done here, but I really like it. Was just trying some new things. Home made liquid emulsion (coated with glass rod), develop, bleach and re-develop in Arista Lith Developer. Crazy cool watching the colors come up. The texture does strange things with the browns and oranges (browns on the ridges and oranges in the valleys).

8 x 10 contact print on Hahnemuhle Copperplate paper (textured paper).

Randy

2-Aug-2021, 13:22

Home made liquid emulsion...Vary nice image Dan, but come on, you can't just say something like "Home made liquid emulsion" without giving details - I am pretty sure that is in the forum rules.

Dan Dozer

2-Aug-2021, 14:34

"Home Made Liquid Emulsion" - Emulsion formula #1 in Martin Reed and Sarah Jones book "Silver Gelatin" - Iodo-bromide silver gelating emulsion. My first try at making my own.

Randy

2-Aug-2021, 15:53

"Home Made Liquid Emulsion" - Emulsion formula #1 in Martin Reed and Sarah Jones book "Silver Gelatin" - Iodo-bromide silver gelating emulsion. My first try at making my own.

Thanks Dan - must look this up now.

Dan Dozer

2-Aug-2021, 16:31

I don't normally use paper with a texture and liquid emulsion because I do a lot of Bromoils with it. However, had this old paper sitting around and decided to try it out to see how the emulsion worked. Now I need to see if it was a fluke or if I can repeat it again.

Barry Kirsten

23-Aug-2021, 18:21

My first successful(?) alt print. I'm in two minds about it and would appreciate opinions please. Entry for last year's WWPD. Kodak Dental Panorama X-ray film (exp. 2009) cut down to 5x7, D=76 1+1 8 min. Inkjet digital neg. on Pictorico.
Mike Ware's New Cyanotype on Bergger Cot 160 paper, toned in 1% tannic acid. The tannic acid has the unfortunate property of staining the paper, and of course the application of sensitiser is patchy. But thoughts would be helpful. Thanks.

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Dan Dozer

12-Sep-2021, 11:23

I personally really like the tones in new Cyanotype. Wonder why to toned it away with tannic acid. The important question is do you like this version better than the original Cyanotype. I would like to see both if possible. I think the very warm tone of this detracts from the contrast range that the original cyanotype probably has - but that is just my opinion.

Randy

12-Sep-2021, 17:26

Barry, you might try a dilute bleach bath to see if it gets rid of some of the yellowing. I have never tried the new cyanotype formula, so no idea how it would react in the bleach bath. Actually, with cyanotypes, it's hard to predict how they will come out period.

Me - I have gotten to where I like the "cyan" color of the cyanotypes and rarely try any toning. The natural color has kind of grown on me. But every now and then the temptation to tone one crops up and I use a dilution of 1 part liquid household bleach to 3 parts water. I do it right after my print has washed. I slip it into the solution and I watch closely since it doesn't take very long to see a reaction, then I pull it out and rewash for a bit then dry. I usually get a mixture of colors, but because I am using bleach I don't seem to get the yellowing of the paper:

https://www.dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/6qi7cg5jyenzhz2/img878a.jpg?raw=1

Barry Kirsten

12-Sep-2021, 21:36

Thanks Dan and Randy, some interesting thoughts for me to contemplate; just what I wanted. I really like the new cyanotype too; somehow cleaner and brighter, which is probably another way of saying better tonal range and separation. Why did I choose cyanotype? I ask myself the same question, because basically I don't like blue photographs. I have seen some that are exceptional, but I don't think all subjects present well in blue. I guess I started with cyanotype as an easier way of getting into alternative processes. I'm also trying to learn carbon transfer, and that is not easy. Among the suggested toning processes, tannic acid seemed the better option to me simply because it doesn't produce a strong color tone (e.g. yellow, violet, green) like some other processes.

Randy, I used HCl as bleach, according to Mike Ware's recommendation. As you suggested, I have been thinking along the lines of partial bleaching, but have not experimented with that thus far. Although cyanotype is a simple process there is scope for experimentation, and obviously there's a lot for me to learn. Thanks both of you for your thoughts.

andreios

4-Nov-2021, 14:03

Time to revive this thread a little bit - as I stared to revive my own printing

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51655692624_bdf78a4816_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2mGCVL5)
Misty hill (https://flic.kr/p/2mGCVL5) by Andrej (https://www.flickr.com/photos/andreios/), on Flickr

Palladium toned kallitype (from an in camera 4x5 negative, printed on Bergger Cot 320)

andreios

9-Nov-2021, 14:27

And another one...

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51668986395_e819b83425_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2mHP4x2)
Old Giant (https://flic.kr/p/2mHP4x2) by Andrej (https://www.flickr.com/photos/andreios/), on Flickr

Tachihara 8x10 with 19 in Red Dot Artar
Fomapan 200 in Pyrocat HD
Kallitype on Bergger Cot 320, palladium toned

David Schaller

9-Nov-2021, 16:57

Both are wonderful Andreios. Thanks for posting!

Tri Tran

12-Nov-2021, 10:15

Pompei
20x24 Sea salt Print.
Thanks Jim Noel for the tips and info.
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Pat Kearns

12-Nov-2021, 10:26

Pompei
20x24 Sea salt Print.
Thanks Jim Noel for the tips and info.
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Tri Tran,
Absolutely beautiful. I would really like to see the original print .
Best regards,
Pat

Tri Tran

14-Nov-2021, 19:27

Sure, are you local? Thanks for checking. TT

Pat Kearns

15-Nov-2021, 17:02

Tri Tran

16-Nov-2021, 11:23

Tri,
I'm sorry to say no, located in Mobile, AL on the Gulf Coast. I've enjoyed your alternative techniques work for many years. There are a number of photographers on the LFPF located on the West Coast that I would like to meet.
Best regards,
Pat

Thanks Pat. Hope to meet you in SoCal in the near future .

Here's another version of 50x60cm Sea Salt contact print from in camera negative. I like a bit of Truffles tone with Sea Salt.
About the print.
The print sized with Albumen ( Egg White), Sea Salted , silver chloride coated over substrate France Arche Platines Water color paper then contact print exposed under UV light source.
The print also developed under Sea Salt Water , cleared and stabilized with Sea Salt Fixer. Toned with Palladium then sealed with butter wax and lavender oil for its final protection.

Cymbidium Orchid
20x24in Sea Salt print

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Hugo Zhang

16-Nov-2021, 12:21

Nice, Tri!

arri

16-Nov-2021, 22:13

Really a great work, excellent

tgtaylor

20-Nov-2021, 20:08

View in the Diablo Range - Wente Vineyards, Livermore, CA.

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Platinum-toned Kallitype.

David Schaller

21-Nov-2021, 07:29

This is lovely. Great work. Thanks for sharing.

View in the Diablo Range - Wente Vineyards, Livermore, CA.

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Platinum-toned Kallitype.

tgtaylor

22-Nov-2021, 10:27

Thanks David. I dry-mounted it yesterday onto 14x17 museum board with an 8-ply window.

Thomas

vnukov_pk

22-Nov-2021, 21:33

Made a vandyke brown print with my nameless 110 y/old german wooden camera
https://flic.kr/p/2mLsRxP

Tri Tran

4-Dec-2021, 11:18

Tiffany
50x60cm Sea Salt print

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paulbarden

4-Dec-2021, 11:33

Tiffany
50x60cm Sea Salt print

221943

A truly remarkable portrait. Magnificent.

John Layton

4-Dec-2021, 13:01

Tri that is stunning!

Tin Can

4-Dec-2021, 13:25

Agree

Wonderful!

Tri Tran

6-Dec-2021, 11:25

Thanks gentlemen!

Vaughn

6-Dec-2021, 20:53

Just matted and framed this. Printed it a while back, bit it took time to get use to it and decide if I liked it.

Falls between two lakes in Parque Nacional Torres del Paine, Chile, December 26th, 2018.
5x7 Platinum/palladium print.
Eastman View No.2, 180mm or 210mm lens. FP4+, f16 at 1/60 second, PyrocatHD

CreationBear

7-Dec-2021, 11:34

it took time to get use to it and decide if I liked it.

I'm digging this one--very much a TJ Cooper vibe, tiptoeing up to the edge of the abstract.:) I'm also intrigued by the strong blacks--not something I associate with Pt/Pd prints.

Vaughn

7-Dec-2021, 13:11

I'm digging this one--very much a TJ Cooper vibe, tiptoeing up to the edge of the abstract.:) I'm also intrigued by the strong blacks--not something I associate with Pt/Pd prints.

Thank you. Looking at the print, I am afraid my light-weight image processing program and skills have darkened the lower values some. The print does contain some deep blacks, but smaller areas than appear on my screen.

Here is another attempt. There is a little glare from the glass over the print, but this might give you a better idea of the tonality.

CreationBear

7-Dec-2021, 17:23

my light-weight image processing program and skills

Ha, thanks for elaborating--my tastes run toward the Romantic, so I always take my D-max where I find it.:) (IIRC Sandy King has done some work with toned VDB's that seem mighty interesting in that regard--much to explore in the New Year!)

tgtaylor

8-Dec-2021, 10:01

https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Unknown-vandal-beheads-statue-at-SF-s-Legion-of-16679992.php

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Thomas

Vaughn

8-Dec-2021, 10:10

Dang -- always like Monty Python references...

I wonder how long the boys have been missing hands? Thomas, would you normally display this with the brush marks?

Edited: They (the boys' right arms) were missing from the original when found. Now I know.

Here are a couple lions I have shown before... a couple originals in the Arizona sun. I do not know the history of the hole in one's side. Certainly relatively recent cast iron beasts in comparison (late 1800s, installed 1908...although they may pre-date the damaged replica in the link, which was installed in the 1930s).

Salt print from a 5x7 negative...some mottling in the right hand sky area...but the best of the process I have been able to do with too little experience. I managed to get a pretty good 8x10 of one of my boys -- but completely failed trying to get two good copies of the other boys to match it. Ended up printing them in platinum/palladium instead.

bobpin

12-Dec-2021, 00:44

Polaroid Type 55 expired film
The film was processed with the almost dried chemical, by rolling the pack roughly with an empty beer bottle on ground.

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Erik Larsen

6-Jan-2022, 16:00

223129A carbon print on highly textured luminous tapestry paper. 8x10 Efke 25. Getting back into the swing of things…

esearing

15-Jan-2022, 07:04

Oak Tree in Westview Cemetery - Atlanta - Salt Print. 5x12 FP4+ , Pyrocat-M, printed on HPR using the B&S kit + gelatin sizing.
https://i0.wp.com/www.searing.photography/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/Scan_saltWLOak-1noframe.jpg

Dan Dozer

15-Jan-2022, 09:10

Color Bromoil on liquid emulsion
8 x 10 Delta 100 shot with a little projection lens I got from Jim Galli.

Rick A

23-Feb-2022, 03:53

My first ever salt print using Formulary kit.
5x7 EDU Ultra 200 film @iso 100/PMK
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51898046222_b9fc3292a7_c_d.jpg

Rick A

27-Feb-2022, 11:31

Salted Paper, untoned.
5x7 Ultra 200/PMK
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51908298070_66ef460f07_c_d.jpg

Looks like I need to do a better job of coating.

esearing

7-Mar-2022, 13:25

Experimenting with Lobotype - 20 drops 40% Ammonium Ferric Oxalate solution + 20 drops 12% Silver Nitrate brush coated on Bergger COT 320. Similar to salt printing and VanDyke in that you coat the paper, expose using UV light source, and basically wash to develop, then fix. Negative FP4+ 5x12, Pryocat M.

https://i0.wp.com/www.searing.photography/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/WLCOak_Lobotype.jpg

CreationBear

7-Mar-2022, 15:41

Experimenting with Lobotype

Very cool--I've seen Wolfgang Moersch's work over on Flickr, but he has a way of making everything look good.:) For myself, I find I can't really differentiate between various POP prints once they're toned, but I'm curious as to whether a particular process dovetails with a particular kind of negative (not that I expect to produce any given two with the same density...)

esearing

7-Mar-2022, 16:51

I'm curious as to whether a particular process dovetails with a particular kind of negative (not that I expect to produce any given two with the same density...) I think you could probably tailor the curves on a digi negative to be a good fit for each process. The lobotype is very easy to over expose. This was 2 minute exposure compared to the 30 minute exposure above for Salt. 3 minutes and my tree trunk is black with no detail. Its easy to fog the paper too with such sensitive emulsion. So it may come down to more of a question about the tones in the negative and probably a less busy subject would be more conducive to a fine print.

CreationBear

7-Mar-2022, 18:25

The lobotype is very easy to over expose.

Very interesting--I've completed my "box" using just six--rather than eight--UV tubes, so I'll be interested in what my times are for double-coated VDB's. Definitely a reconnaissance by fire approach, but I'll just think of it as doing my part for Bostick & Sullivan's bottom line.:)

esearing

8-Mar-2022, 05:07

Very interesting--I've completed my "box" using just six--rather than eight--UV tubes, so I'll be interested in what my times are for double-coated VDB's.

I made my uv box with 2 sets of legs Low and High. The high ones are threaded and give me about 6 inches between frame and bulb, low permanent legs are only 2 inches between bulb and frame. This made quite a difference when doing salt prints. I use a 4x5 step wedge for initial testing.

awty

13-Apr-2022, 14:59

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51993972161_9829f2992a_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2ndwGtT)Stand alone (https://flic.kr/p/2ndwGtT) by Paul Fitz (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144284773@N06/), on Flickr

Vandyke brown print on Bergger cot 160.
24 x30 cm camera 1890, Fuji 420 lens
Xray film developed in home made pyrocat hd
Home made Vandyke brown emulsion hand painted, camera negative contact print exposed to sun for 2.5 minutes.
Washed in water with citric acid.
Fixed in sodium thiosulfate.
Cleared in sodium suffice.

Tin Can

13-Apr-2022, 15:04

Love everything about this

Color, brush, title, and all

Bravo!

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51993972161_9829f2992a_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2ndwGtT)Stand alone (https://flic.kr/p/2ndwGtT) by Paul Fitz (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144284773@N06/), on Flickr

Vandyke brown print on Bergger cot 160.
24 x30 cm camera 1890, Fuji 420 lens
Xray film developed in home made pyrocat hd
Home made Vandyke brown emulsion hand painted, camera negative contact print exposed to sun for 2.5 minutes.
Washed in water with citric acid.
Fixed in sodium thiosulfate.
Cleared in sodium suffice.

awty

19-Apr-2022, 14:24

Thanks Mr Can

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52014751878_488bfc2ff0_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2nfncyS)Crumbling beauty (https://flic.kr/p/2nfncyS) by Paul Fitz (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144284773@N06/), on Flickr

Vandyke brown print on Bergger cot 160.
24 x30 cm camera 1890, Fuji 420 lens
Xray film developed in home made pyrocat hd
Home made Vandyke brown emulsion hand painted, camera negative contact print exposed to sun for 6 minutes.
Washed in water with citric acid.
Fixed in sodium thiosulfate.
Cleared in sodium suffice.

DaveF

21-Apr-2022, 01:19

Hi folks

Peony Argyrotype

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51969801984_3221d7750e_b.jpg

Print: 26th March 2022 / 22ºC / 43% RH
10x8 contact print from Ilford FP4+ negative, trimmed slightly, on 14x11 Bergger Cot320
3mm Fotospeed sensitiver, 1 drop of tween20 solution (mix of 1 drop and 5 drops distilled water)
Paper dried 1hr5mins, no prehumidification
8’30” daylight exposure in full sun, 1:35pm

Developed in distilled water+lemon juice/tap water, hypo fix, final soak

Original exposure:

2nd June 2021, 2.15pm

Chamonix 810V, Rodenstock Apo-Sironar S 240mm f/5.6
Ilford FP4+ 125 (EI 64) 10x8
400mm bellows extension
11” f/5.6, Lee #23A light red filter

Stearman Press SP810, Pyrocat HD 2:2:100, 8’53” for N
Acetic acid stop, TF4 Fix, Hypoclear
Digitized after about a week of dry-down

CreationBear

21-Apr-2022, 10:01

Stearman Press SP810, Pyrocat HD 2:2:100, 8’53” for N

Very nice--I've very much appreciated your "alt floral" series.:)

I am curious about the times you're getting with the Stearman, though--I had thought it would be in the ballpark of "rotary," continuous agitation (e.g. Jobo, BTZS tubes etc.) but "panning for gold" seems to be two or three times faster with the same Pyrocat HD concentration. (Or perhaps I'm just overestimating how burly a negative you need for this particular process...)

DaveF

22-Apr-2022, 10:17

Thanks for this. Iirc I've lowered my dev times for Pyrocat HD 2:2:100 fairly substantially since I not only started making these contact prints, but subsequently did a film-speed and exposure test to ensure decent highlight retention and solid details from zone 3 on an actual argyrotype test print.
My initial negs, following I think Sandy King's info, were both rather drastically overdeveloped and also up to a stop underexposed. I should have mentioned the temperature but this would I think have been at 21ºC. In fact I just developed a couple of my last negs (1 roll 120 and 1x 10x8) with this developer last night and they both look good to me.

Now that I can't get Pyrocat HD here anymore, I'm moving to 510-Pyro - I'll start off with the recommended time for standard agitation and may do a full argyrotype test if this doesn't look right.

Obviously for scanning you can basically get away with anything, but for an alt-pro workflow I think it is a good idea to actually do full-zone test on an actual print (I did this with 120, using a sequence of 10 exposures; used a Jobo tank but the neg density looks the same as with the 10x8 and the results work!). I started off with BTZS tubes and moved to the Stearman trays not because they work better necessarily (I quite miss the spinning tubes thing!), but as a damn sight easier to use for anyone, such as me, not fortunate to actually have a darkroom (I used to have to have my Harrison tent set up to change the caps etc.).

Very nice--I've very much appreciated your "alt floral" series.:)

I am curious about the times you're getting with the Stearman, though--I had thought it would be in the ballpark of "rotary," continuous agitation (e.g. Jobo, BTZS tubes etc.) but "panning for gold" seems to be two or three times faster with the same Pyrocat HD concentration. (Or perhaps I'm just overestimating how burly a negative you need for this particular process...)

CreationBear

22-Apr-2022, 11:39

Excellent, that's very helpful--I must admit a suspicion that what sounds like ChemE at first devolves to Hermes Trismegistus pretty quickly when the conversation turns to agitation regimens.;) Just another reason to keep your oinochoai full and close at hand...

awty

22-Apr-2022, 17:17

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52017484815_173f18a0a4_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2nfBcYt)Our Lady of the Arbour (https://flic.kr/p/2nfBcYt) by Paul Fitz (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144284773@N06/), on Flickr

Vandyke brown print on Bergger cot 160.
24 x30 cm camera 1890, Fuji 420 lens
Xray film developed in home made pyrocat hd
Home made Vandyke brown emulsion hand painted, camera negative contact print exposed to sun for 6 minutes.
Washed in water with citric acid.
Fixed in sodium thiosulfate.
Cleared in sodium suffice.

DaveF

24-Apr-2022, 04:47

Spinach Anthotype, Eglyws Cwyfan, Anglesey, Wales
(Will post scanned Provia version of same separately!)

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52026494290_963e0a2dc0_h.jpg

ORIGINAL FILM EXPOSURE
9:55am, 11/04/22

Chamonix 810V, Nikkor-W 300mm f/5.6
Ilford FP4+ 10x8, EI 125
¼” f/45, front tilt
Lee 0.3 hard GND

FILM REVERSAL DEVELOPMENT
21/04/22
DIY B&W Reversal Development to make a slide for anthotype contact-printing
Stearman SP810 daylight tray then white Paterson open tray

Ingredients:
FD: 500ml Ilford Multigrade 1+5, 0.5g hypo, 12mins 20ºC
Second Dev: 500ml Ilford Multigrade 1+9
Bleach: 3% Hydrogen peroxide 300ml, 15.7g EDTA-4Na with 5.7g sodium bicarbonate, 11g Citric acid crystals.
Clearing Bath: 500ml water, 12.5g sodium sulphite

Stage 1 in SP810
FD: 12mins 20ºC, standard agitation
First Wash: 5mins with 5 changes of water
Bleach: 20ºC 9mins
Remove lid from tray
Clearing Bath: 2mins, continuous agitation
Second Wash: 5mins with 5 changes of water (easier to put lid back on for this)

Transfer sheet to white Paterson tray.

Stage 2: Re-exposure: 60secs about 45cm with 100watt bulb in inspection lamp;

Stage 3 in Paterson Tray
Second Dev: 6mins 20ºC
Third Wash: Ilford wash method
Fix: 500ml Ilford Rapid Fixer 5mins
Final Wash : 10 changes of water, continuous agitation (back in SP810)
Final rinse in Ilfotol, 1 min, in Paterson tray.

PRINT:

Emulsion:
Spinach leaves blitzed with some water, strained through muslin, 3 wet coats onto Bergger Cot320 paper, then left to dry for approx. 1 hour (still damp, but it didn’t really matter!)

Exposure:
4hrs in overcast conditions (1-5pm, 23/04/22), followed by 3hrs full sun 8-11am 24/04/22, Lotus 12x16 contact-printing frame; paper in Krystal seal A3 envelope to protect the sheet of film

Digitized with Nikon D800/85PC-E (stitch of three frames)

johnasavoia

25-Apr-2022, 05:32

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52014592150_b25b3cea78_h.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2nfmo5W)Paper negative solargraph (https://flic.kr/p/2nfmo5W) by biff tanager (https://www.flickr.com/photos/johnasavoia/), on Flickr

2 week exposure paper negative solargraph on my Burke & James 5x7, 250/6.3 commercial congo @ f64. As is standard for paper negatives, no chemical developer or fixer, just scan the negative quickly, invert in PS, and slight contrast adjustments. I've done a series of 2 week exposures of this building site across from my apartment, and recently ordered a 4 stop ND filter with the hopes of doing an 8-10 month exposure. I have no idea how ND filters and solargraphs get along, so some tests must be done first I think.

Thank you for your time.

Ironage

25-Apr-2022, 06:07

Thanks for sharing your spinach anthotype process. First description I have seen of the process. Interesting that it is a positive process.

Tin Can

25-Apr-2022, 06:29

Really like!

the last 3 posted images

2 week exposure!

I once was careless with a box of OLD paper, and learned how useful it WAS...

DaveF

25-Apr-2022, 11:34

No problem at all. Will hope to make more, inc. of actual flowers. This was a first attempt on large format with reversal development, and a stress-test of the printing process, since pretty small and detailed. Currently making another using red rose petals as emulsion; this will take a week or more to expose. Have another sheet of 10x8 film to reversal process now also.

Thanks for sharing your spinach anthotype process. First description I have seen of the process. Interesting that it is a positive process.

DaveF

10-May-2022, 00:09

Another from me, this time an argyrotype I'm delighted with.

That Secret Stillness

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52061353952_3253bc300e_k.jpg

Original exposure and development (one of my earliest 10x8 exposures)

Asham Meads BBOWT, Otmoor, Oxfordshire
11th May 2019 3:30pm

Chamonix 810V
Nikkor-SW 150 f/8
Ilford FP4+ 8x10
¼" f/32
Rear and front tilts forward, down angle on Arca Cube head
No filters

Pyrocat HD 2:2:100 in BTZS tube
10'30" for N (5min prewash in distilled water; 1min acetic acid stop bath; 10min fix in TF4; 1min sodium sulfite hypoclear; 30min wash)
NB this was before I adjusted my alt-pro dev times for a certain style of printing after moving to Stearman SP810 trays, so dev time is probably :confused:.

Print:
7th May 2022 / 21.5ºC / 52% RH
Contact print from original negative on 14x11 Bergger Cot320
3ml Fotospeed argyrotype sensitiver, 1 drop of tween20 solution (mix of 1 drop and 5 drops distilled water)
Paper dried 3hrs15mins, no prehumidification, placed in Krystal Seal envelope to protect negative on top
8’30" daylight exposure, full sun, 4pm

5mins wash in 1.5l distilled water with squeeze of lemon juice
5mins wash in 1.5l tap water
3mins fix in hypo
1hr final soak
Dried flat for 48hrs

Digitized with Nikon D800/85PC-E: stitch of two shifted frames

Tin Can

10-May-2022, 02:03

Thanks for derails!

Like!

Another from me, this time an argyrotype I'm delighted with.

That Secret Stillness

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52061353952_3253bc300e_k.jpg

Original exposure and development (one of my earliest 10x8 exposures)

Asham Meads BBOWT, Otmoor, Oxfordshire
11th May 2019 3:30pm

Chamonix 810V
Nikkor-SW 150 f/8
Ilford FP4+ 8x10
¼" f/32
Rear and front tilts forward, down angle on Arca Cube head
No filters

Pyrocat HD 2:2:100 in BTZS tube
10'30" for N (5min prewash in distilled water; 1min acetic acid stop bath; 10min fix in TF4; 1min sodium sulfite hypoclear; 30min wash)
NB this was before I adjusted my alt-pro dev times for a certain style of printing after moving to Stearman SP810 trays, so dev time is probably :confused:.

Print:
7th May 2022 / 21.5ºC / 52% RH
Contact print from original negative on 14x11 Bergger Cot320
3ml Fotospeed argyrotype sensitiver, 1 drop of tween20 solution (mix of 1 drop and 5 drops distilled water)
Paper dried 3hrs15mins, no prehumidification, placed in Krystal Seal envelope to protect negative on top
8’30" daylight exposure, full sun, 4pm

5mins wash in 1.5l distilled water with squeeze of lemon juice
5mins wash in 1.5l tap water
3mins fix in hypo
1hr final soak
Dried flat for 48hrs

Digitized with Nikon D800/85PC-E: stitch of two shifted frames

DaveF

11-May-2022, 10:39

Many thanks. Now float-mounted and framed. Looks great, one of my top results with this process.

CreationBear

11-May-2022, 17:56

Now float-mounted and framed.

Excellent, I'll agitate for a quick snap of it on your wall--I'm still up in the air about how I might present these (notional:)) alt-prints I'm thinking about, but have developed a real antipathy toward the acres of white matboard approach.

DaveF

13-May-2022, 00:34

Currently I actually have four framed up (including this one), ready to stand alongside me as I give a public lecture; currently on temporary display in my workplace. The Clematis print has been up on our dining room wall since lockdown.

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Ironage

13-May-2022, 04:19

I like the floating mount. How do you attach them to the backing?

DaveF

13-May-2022, 05:54

Thanks: like this.
https://youtu.be/r-duhP7okr8

CreationBear

13-May-2022, 12:26

The Clematis print has been up on our dining room wall since lockdown.

Ha, I think you need to find a way to get up to 16x20 negs for your florals. :)

Otherwise, thanks for putting the floating frame idea out there--for myself, I could imagine standardizing on "edge-to-edge" Pt/Pd prints in the right color of cradle...

awty

14-May-2022, 02:37

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52028336588_ab06eebafa_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2ngyPQ1)Room with a view (https://flic.kr/p/2ngyPQ1) by Paul Fitz (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144284773@N06/), on Flickr

Vandyke brown print on Bergger cot 160.
24 x30 cm camera 1890, Fuji 250 lens
Xray film developed in home made pyrocat hd
Home made Vandyke brown emulsion hand painted, camera negative contact print exposed to sun for 6 minutes.
Washed in water with citric acid.
Fixed in sodium thiosulfate.
Cleared in sodium suffice.

Tin Can

14-May-2022, 04:07

A timely Timeless wonderful image

I like an image that tells a silent human story

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52028336588_ab06eebafa_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2ngyPQ1)Room with a view (https://flic.kr/p/2ngyPQ1) by Paul Fitz (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144284773@N06/), on Flickr

Vandyke brown print on Bergger cot 160.
24 x30 cm camera 1890, Fuji 250 lens
Xray film developed in home made pyrocat hd
Home made Vandyke brown emulsion hand painted, camera negative contact print exposed to sun for 6 minutes.
Washed in water with citric acid.
Fixed in sodium thiosulfate.
Cleared in sodium suffice.

DaveF

16-May-2022, 00:27

:rolleyes: Well I don't think that's gonna happen. But I do quite like the prospect (at least) of potentially doing 11x14 inkjet enlargements of 10x8 negs on OHP film now that (finally) I have an A3+ inkjet. My printing frame is 16x20 so Bergger Cot320 paper at that size ought to fit. More experiments, but almost certainly an equal if not greater amount of frustration!!

Ha, I think you need to find a way to get up to 16x20 negs for your florals. :)

Otherwise, thanks for putting the floating frame idea out there--for myself, I could imagine standardizing on "edge-to-edge" Pt/Pd prints in the right color of cradle...

Tin Can

16-May-2022, 04:10

I shot this years ago of a member

Negative filed in a pile, Delta 100 8X10

Bought a 'Super Sunprint Kit (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001KOGY3M?tag=amz-mkt-chr-us-20&ascsubtag=1ba00-01000-a0047-win10-other-nomod-us000-pcomp-feature-scomp-feature-scomp&ref=aa_scomp&th=1)'

First test it worked! Few minutes SUN exposure 1 to 5, wash 1 minute, dried on rag.....DONE!

'Scanned' it with cheapest iPhone handheld, raw is posted and simple BW conversion

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52075017989_b7b0f726f1_b.jpg (https://www.flickr.com/gp/tincancollege/38qS7j)Cynanotype 1 (https://www.flickr.com/gp/tincancollege/38qS7j) by TIN CAN COLLEGE (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tincancollege/), on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52074789651_a299d99781_b.jpg (https://www.flickr.com/gp/tincancollege/08H57w)Cyano 2 (https://www.flickr.com/gp/tincancollege/08H57w) by TIN CAN COLLEGE (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tincancollege/), on Flickr

Ramiro Elena

16-May-2022, 05:18

Digitized with Nikon D800/85PC-E: stitch of two shifted frames

Wonderful image Dave. I bet it looks even better in real life. Now, your digitizing method got me all curious, why the stitching? The D800 already makes big files...

DaveF

16-May-2022, 10:23

Wonderful image Dave. I bet it looks even better in real life. Now, your digitizing method got me all curious, why the stitching? The D800 already makes big files...

Thankyou!! It's a bit darker irl but that just means you have to get up close with it to absorb it.

Sucker for detail. Also enhancing the possibility of digital printing at some point if I have to.

CreationBear

16-May-2022, 12:31

Sucker for detail.

I'll be curious at what point you might fall down the vacuum frame rabbit-hole, or perhaps even start exploring "point source" UV options, especially if you do feel the need to start hanging larger prints up the rafters of ye Mercian mead hall.;)

Otherwise, thanks for the link--certainly a neat notion for archival purposes, but I find myself thinking whether it would be possible to attach an alt-print to an "art board" (i.e. flat or "cradled" plywood). I know that a lot of watercolor artists don't have a problem with using an adhesive to glue their paper down, but I'm curious if with a photo, the paper outside the image area would become mottled with the adhesive bleeding through.

DaveF

16-May-2022, 14:03

This is super.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52028336588_ab06eebafa_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2ngyPQ1)Room with a view (https://flic.kr/p/2ngyPQ1) by Paul Fitz (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144284773@N06/), on Flickr

Vandyke brown print on Bergger cot 160.
24 x30 cm camera 1890, Fuji 250 lens
Xray film developed in home made pyrocat hd
Home made Vandyke brown emulsion hand painted, camera negative contact print exposed to sun for 6 minutes.
Washed in water with citric acid.
Fixed in sodium thiosulfate.
Cleared in sodium suffice.

vnukov_pk

23-May-2022, 01:54

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52049191379_09e4a4892f_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2nipHen)Dunino, 2022 (https://flic.kr/p/2nipHen) by Pavel Vnukov (https://www.flickr.com/photos/vnukov_pavel/), on Flickr
Vandyke brown on Russian aquarelle paper. Negative 13*18 Tasma fn64

MCohn

25-May-2022, 10:02

Lovely image! I'm curious how you like working with the Bergger COT 160. I've been looking for something lighter weight, and the price sure is right.

awty

26-May-2022, 20:16

awty

26-May-2022, 20:21

Lovely image! I'm curious how you like working with the Bergger COT 160. I've been looking for something lighter weight, and the price sure is right.

It takes emulsion well and processes fine, just need to be a little more careful not to crease. Like all papers you have to work with it to get what you want.

Tin Can

27-May-2022, 04:45

Love it!

and it looks like some places I know

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52049191379_09e4a4892f_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2nipHen)Dunino, 2022 (https://flic.kr/p/2nipHen) by Pavel Vnukov (https://www.flickr.com/photos/vnukov_pavel/), on Flickr
Vandyke brown on Russian aquarelle paper. Negative 13*18 Tasma fn64

vnukov_pk

29-May-2022, 23:08

Thank you. Here is some more from the same river bank
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52049191389_7574e6102c_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2nipHex)Dunino, 2022 (https://flic.kr/p/2nipHex) by Pavel Vnukov (https://www.flickr.com/photos/vnukov_pavel/), on Flickr

koraks

15-Jul-2022, 12:12

Revisiting carbon transfer. I'm trying my hand at transferring to glass. It's easier than I thought (if there is such a thing as 'easy' in carbon transfer...)

https://www.koraks.nl/galleries/zut/testing/carbon_transfer/220701%20CToG%2002.jpg

Print from a 4x5" Fomapan 100 negative.

Vaughn

29-Jul-2022, 22:24

Two test prints (4x5 single transfer carbon), checking on the exposure and development of the Kodak Professional Copy Film (ASA 25) relative to the printing process.
Prints scanned on an office printer/scanner. Images taken on recent backpack trips. I'm heading back up there next week!

Gowland 4x5 PocketView, 150mm/5.6 Caltar IIN
Kodak Professional Copy Film (ASA 25)

Bridge Creek, Redwood National Park
June 8, 2022
Just above its joining Redwood Creek.
f64 for 5 minutes
Scene read 3++ to 10 (water) on my Pentax Digital Spot Meter, exposed at 6 plus 50% added for reciprosity failure.
PyroCatHD 6:6:600, 70F for 8 minutes in a Jobo 3006 Expert Drum
Negative a little thin in the shadows

Redwood Creek from Camp, Redwood National Park
July 7, 2022
Scene 7 to 14, taken at 9
f22 @ 4 seconds
PyroCatHD 6:6:600, 72F for 6 minutes in a Jobo 3006 Expert Drum

I do have lovely detail in that bottom right corner.

Willie

30-Jul-2022, 11:47

domaz

30-Jul-2022, 15:52

Any problems with cracking or peeling from the glass after some time has passed?
Have seen Carbon prints on metal and all have eventually had problems. Seems the expansion/contraction of the metal causes problems for the Carbon/emulsion and cracking and peeling result. Too bad as the prints are excellent with a look all their own.

I was shown carbon prints on glass at the George Eastman Museum that were quite old. Not sure about metal. Note that we were told the carbon prints that had the most issues were the ones with very high relief. Probably because the creators poured a very thick tissue and over time gravity wins out. If you want your carbon prints to really last thinner emulsion is better than thicker.

Vaughn

30-Jul-2022, 19:44

Any problems with cracking or peeling from the glass after some time has passed?
Have seen Carbon prints on metal and all have eventually had problems. Seems the expansion/contraction of the metal causes problems for the Carbon/emulsion and cracking and peeling result. Too bad as the prints are excellent with a look all their own.

A thick subbing that will take some of the strain of the metal expanding and contracting can help preserve the carbon print longer...but temperature swings are a son-of-a-gun with metal.

koraks

4-Aug-2022, 03:01

Any problems with cracking or peeling from the glass after some time has passed?
Time will tell...I don't know yet. But I can see valid reasons for concern, indeed.

@Vaughn: I actually think a thin subbing and a thin carbon image would be a better idea than heavy sizing and high-relief images. The thicker the gelatin layer, the more problematic the cracking will be, is my guess. I base this also on the experience I had with fairly heavy sizing of glass (thinking it was a good idea) which was much more prone to frilling and reticulation than a light subbing & sizing.

awty

4-Aug-2022, 19:00

PyroCatHD 6:6:600, 72F for 6 minutes in a Jobo 3006 Expert Drum

I do have lovely detail in that bottom right corner.

The devil is in the detail.
Great work as always.

koraks

17-Aug-2022, 01:03

https://tinker.koraks.nl/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/MG_5283.jpg
Carbon transfer from 8x10 Fomapan 100 negative. Some minor issues, but overall I'm pleased with my progress since I revived my carbon transfer interest a few weeks ago.

A little more info particularly on the shortcomings of the print in this blog post: https://tinker.koraks.nl/photography/corn-print

Andrew O'Neill

28-Aug-2022, 15:28

Cyanotype. 8x10 Efke IR. 720 filter.
Hahnemuhle Platinum Rag.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52317813436_ec2e617f18_k.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2nH9td9)Columns (https://flic.kr/p/2nH9td9) by Andrew O'Neill (https://www.flickr.com/photos/62974341@N02/), on Flickr

Andrew O'Neill

2-Sep-2022, 13:45

Bleached and redeveloped in Tannic Acid...

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52330256160_35cd59d29e_h.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2nJfeZS)Tannic Acid Toned Cyanotype (https://flic.kr/p/2nJfeZS) by Andrew O'Neill (https://www.flickr.com/photos/62974341@N02/), on Flickr

h2oman

2-Sep-2022, 19:15

That subject lends itself well to alternative techniques!

Vaughn

2-Sep-2022, 20:29

Bleached and redeveloped in Tannic Acid...

Lovely, Andrew! When I used Tannic acid to tone some cyanotypes, I used household ammonia to bleach the prints. Got some interesting colors going back and forth. Some with a bit more purple than you are showing here.

Should have kept notes...just having too much fun. I used far less Tannic acid for a much shorter time.

DaveF

1-Oct-2022, 08:12

A new one from me.

Green-toned 10x8 Cyanotype

Hahnemühle Platinum Rag
Original print (old cyanotype 10% mix) left to dry 24hrs, not bleached, then toned
Fenugreek seeds infused in 1.5l boiling distilled water, print in strained mix to taste

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52387982647_844c1c01d9_h.jpg

Ramiro Elena

1-Oct-2022, 08:21

Beautiful! What lens did you use?

DaveF

1-Oct-2022, 09:23

Beautiful! What lens did you use?

Thanks!
Details on original exposure:
Chamonix 810V, Rodenstock APO-Sironar S 240mm f/5.6
Ilford FP4+ 10x8 @ 125 (for 510-Pyro)
560mm bellows
2” f/5.6

CreationBear

1-Oct-2022, 10:32

DaveF

1-Oct-2022, 10:48

Very nice--did you happen to use a Krystal Seal envelope for your paper? (If I understood the notes for your Scotland shot correctly, you're the first one I've seen who doesn't sleeve the negative instead.)

At any rate, I was curious if you've come across the enterprising souls who are doing cyanotypes on a glass substrate (somewhat analogous to an orotone I assume)--strikes me that it might be a good approach for your botanical series.

That's correct: yes I use the Kyrstal Seal for the paper. I cut the cellophane envelope to size and remove two sides, so I can simply slide the paper inside easily. Using the Krystal Seal envelopes is a recommendation from Christopher James' big Alt Pro book. I do this by default for both Argyrotypes and Cyanotypes.

Tbh I've only printed like about 10 Cyanotypes altogether so far; this last session was my first using the Hahnemühle paper as opposed to Cot320. Tbh feels almost the same, though the Hahnemühle may have just a slightly smoother finish on the smoother side than the Cot320. No issues with either, both fabulous papers. Haven't tried any other substrate.
Working with glass sounds very cool but not particularly practical with kids around!

By sheer heresy(!), I've just this week made a couple of digital negatives so I can try doing some alt pro on enlarged 35mm negs from my Leicas.