Video of Ansel Adams' Story of Visualization Breakthrough

[Tin Can]

'good' ???

There are two aspects to producing a good photo. First, you have to be able to accomplish what you want. Second, what you want has to be good in some way.

[Peter De Smidt]

Yep. Valuable, interesting,....use your own definition.

[Vaughn]

I'm curious. Seeing something in your mind's eye and then being able to create that view in your photo, doesn;t make the final picture artistic. What you visualize in your eye has to be artistic to begin with. THoughts on this.

My thoughts -- "artistic" is a term with no meaning in this situation.

[Tin Can]

I aim for interesting, value is mine.

Yep. Valuable, interesting,....use your own definition.

[Sal Santamaura]

..."artistic" is a term with no meaning in this situation.

That adjective, like its root noun, has no meaning in any situation. "Art" is whatever anyone wants it to be. Thus, the words convey nothing.

[Peter De Smidt]

For those who think there's no such thing as goodness, value, interest.... See: https://www.ted.com/talks/steven_pin...at_the_numbers

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[Willie]

Adams would Visualize, not "pre" visualize...

[Vaughn]

Pre-visualization was a minor offshoot in the the Zone System.

Pre-visualization is the moment when one gathers all the needed info (meter readings and all that), thoughts, weather, moon phase, where the print will hang, etc in order to visualize.
Post-visualization comes after visualization and can include everything from setting up the camera to framing the print .

I am not too heavy on the visualization, or I am -- hard to say which. I do not crop, burn, nor dodge, generally speaking, so I have to know how what is on the film will translate as an alt process print. And since the two alt processes I work with are quite different in how they translate the negative (one even reverses the image), print process choice is generally made before the film exposure. But I also enjoy the surprises, the film exposed not knowing how it will all turn out, the experiments, and the ways of light that I have not experienced before. Trusting only on visualization limits one's images to what one knows. It is difficult to visualize what one has not yet experienced.

[Tin Can]

Gadzook

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