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    Re: Any real advantage to pre-soaking HP5 to remove the anti-halation layer

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Graves View Post
    I'm no scientist and I didn't do any controlled tests. But I do know that before I was told to start presoaking my film, I consistently had problems with consistency in even tones, such as skies and such. After I started presoaking, those problems are so infrequent that I can't remember the last time it happened. Go ahead and tell me the presoaking has nothing to do with it. But I'll keep doing it anyway.
    While I do not do portraiture, I did see noticiable improvements with subtle shadow details in my archtectural work. Presoaking is the only way to go IMO.
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    Re: Any real advantage to pre-soaking HP5 to remove the anti-halation layer

    Pre-soaking is indispensable for those of us that develop sheet film by hand in trays in large batches in order to keep the film from sticking together in the developer. Other than that, I can see no real advantage to pre-soaking provided that the film is immersed quickly and evenly in the developer.

    If that is not so easy to do (e.g., I never thought I could pour developer into a double 120 tank fast enough to guarantee that there was not a significant time lapse between the bottom of the bottom reel and the top of the top reel...) then a pre-soak seems a prudent measure to help ensure more even development, since it slows down the onset of developing a bit.

    Similarly, if one re-uses developer, say in a replenishment scheme, then it might be a good idea to keep all that dissolved anti-halation dye out of the mix by removing it with a pre-soak.

    I can't think of an instance where pre-soaking would cause problems. There is, of course, a slight difference in developing time with and without pre-soak.

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    Re: Any real advantage to pre-soaking HP5 to remove the anti-halation layer

    I had this green stains in some of my first developed 4x5 using the "taco" method. In another forum they told me could be part of the anti-halation layer still present. I did not presoak these sheets, which were Foma Retropan 320. So maybe it's a good idea, at least in some cases.

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    Re: Any real advantage to pre-soaking HP5 to remove the anti-halation layer

    With a presoak, the rubber bands would still be in place with the taco method and your antihalation dyes would still not wash out completely. Just dump the negatives after processing them into a tray of water an let them soak for a while, the dyes will wash right out. At least the dyes used by Foma will. You can add a little washing soda to the water to facilitate the process; something like 2-4g per liter should be fine.

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    Re: Any real advantage to pre-soaking HP5 to remove the anti-halation layer

    I must be leading the "unexamined life." I used HP5+ and soak in distilled H2O for 3 minutes with agitation every 30sec. I suppose this will remove any dust, lint, etc., that got on the film, but it will be a benefit only with respect to the dust, lint, etc., that attached to the film after exposure.

    But I feel a lot of satisfaction watching all that purple-blue water pouring out of my SP-445 tank.
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    Re: Any real advantage to pre-soaking HP5 to remove the anti-halation layer

    I always pre soaked as I was taught to do so.
    When I started to process my sheet film I did pre soak one time & found issues with my dil.
    I used a Jobo with DDX
    It's best to test it for yourself, as different methods may or may not be affected by pre soaking or lack thereof.

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    Re: Any real advantage to pre-soaking HP5 to remove the anti-halation layer

    If you pre-soak , then pre-soak long enough beause if not it may lead to an uneven development, specially in a non rotary process.

    "A pre-rinse is not recommended as it can lead to uneven processing." Iford says in the page 3 of datasheet : https://www.silverprint.co.uk/wp-con...0/HP5-Plus.pdf

    This is because pre-soaking removes surfactants from the emulsion that are included to ensure a even development.

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    Re: Any real advantage to pre-soaking HP5 to remove the anti-halation layer

    helps me with HP-4 in 8x10 only..which is weird

    5x7... fine, but 8x10 has weird white 'clouds' occasionally that never happen when I remember to pre-soak... and they never appear on 5x7 even when processed together with the 8x10

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    Re: Any real advantage to pre-soaking HP5 to remove the anti-halation layer

    Well, one explanation I read says that presoak at development temperature allows film to swell to max size for that temp and bring film to developing temp as well. This way, the film can accept max amount of developer more quickly. I know you need it it for color neg and slide film. I do it with 2-bath Pyro a well and Tmax developer. Always done it no problems for me.

    And it's cool watching the Easter egg die water pour out.

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    Re: Any real advantage to pre-soaking HP5 to remove the anti-halation layer

    Quote Originally Posted by Pere Casals View Post
    If you pre-soak , then pre-soak long enough beause if not it may lead to an uneven development, specially in a non rotary process.

    "A pre-rinse is not recommended as it can lead to uneven processing." Iford says in the page 3 of datasheet : https://www.silverprint.co.uk/wp-con...0/HP5-Plus.pdf

    This is because pre-soaking removes surfactants from the emulsion that are included to ensure a even development.
    Thanks for the advise. Seems wise. Maybe better with a longer final wash, specially removing the bands in the taco method. Or even better getting rid with the taco method for a better one.

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