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    Re: 210mm Lens for 8x10: Spotters Guide

    Quote Originally Posted by Jason Greenberg Motamedi View Post
    No matter what the math, I can tell you from personal experience that WA G-Claron lenses function very very poorly at infinity.
    That's absolutely correct.

    Been there, paid the big bucks to get there, and ended with a stunning door stop. Specs are irrelevant to reality.

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    Re: 210mm Lens for 8x10: Spotters Guide

    FWIW, in your photos of the 210/6.8 Angulons the second and third photos are of a lens I bought a couple of months back. Its a 1949 vintage set of cells mounted in a late model Copal 1 shutter and is definitely a custom mount job, right down to the engraved aperture scale. It almost looks like a blending of Copal and Compound, except that the barrels are matt black, not silver as is usual on Compounds.

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    Re: 210mm Lens for 8x10: Spotters Guide

    What about Nikkor 210W? I use it on my 8x10. It has enough image circle to cover 8x10 but no movements. It's compact as I used to use it on tech V.

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    Re: 210mm Lens for 8x10: Spotters Guide

    Quote Originally Posted by Jason Greenberg Motamedi View Post
    No matter what the math, I can tell you from personal experience that WA G-Claron lenses function very very poorly at infinity.
    Ok thats fair. User experience is very important.

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    Re: 210mm Lens for 8x10: Spotters Guide

    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew O'Neill View Post
    What about Nikkor 210W? I use it on my 8x10. It has enough image circle to cover 8x10 but no movements. It's compact as I used to use it on tech V.
    I agree that just about any of the 210mm lenses for 4x5 cameras that have image circles in the 290 range will just cover. In fact I have two that I use regularly on 8x10 (Symmar-S MC and Topcor 210mm).

    For a lens with some movement, I arbitrarily was looking for lenses with a manufacturer specification image circle larger than 350mm.

    BTW I got my Angulon 210mm in the mail today. It is nice but no ring. I need to track down a 60mm ring for the older Copal 3 (per SK Grimes site). My other Copal #3 rings are 65mm.

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    Re: 210mm Lens for 8x10: Spotters Guide

    Isn't the G Claron WA f11 a four element lens, like the Repro Claron as opposed to the f9 G Claron, which is six elements. I've never heard any complaints about the coverage or sharpness of the six element f9 G Clarons, of which I have three and find them blazingly sharp at infinity.
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    Re: 210mm Lens for 8x10: Spotters Guide

    Quote Originally Posted by archer View Post
    Isn't the G Claron WA f11 a four element lens, like the Repro Claron as opposed to the f9 G Claron, which is six elements. I've never heard any complaints about the coverage or sharpness of the six element f9 G Clarons, of which I have three and find them blazingly sharp at infinity.
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    Each is four elements, true, but they are completely different constructions. The Repro-Claron is a dialyte like the Apo-Artar, -Ronar etc, with two biconvex lenses on the outside and two biconcave ones next to the aperture. Dialytes are not very sensitive to magnification changes in their performance. The G-Claron WA is a double Gauss type consisting of 4 deeply curved meniscus lenses, similar to the Zeiss Topogon. In contrast to the original Topogon (an aerial lens), the G-Claron WA is corrected for unity magnification, or close to it. Apparently, this type performs poorly outside the magnification range it was designed for.

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    Re: 210mm Lens for 8x10: Spotters Guide

    Quote Originally Posted by ic-racer View Post
    Macro Sinaron 210mm f 5.6
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    I found this photo on eBay.

    I purchased one of these (in Sinar DB mount) recently, and can't stop using it for 5x7 work.

    By the way, lenses like this are optimized for 1:1 to 1:3. On 8x10 the subject ranges from 8x10 to... 24x30 inches ! Because the lens will do very nicely at 1:5, one can probably use them for almost anything other than landscape or architecture.

    Last edited by Ken Lee; 13-May-2010 at 09:00.

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    Re: 210mm Lens for 8x10: Spotters Guide

    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Lee View Post
    I found this photo on eBay.

    I purchased one of these (in Sinar DB mount) recently, and can't stop using it for 5x7 work.

    By the way, lenses like this are optimized for 1:1 to 1:3. On 8x10 the subject ranges from 8x10 to... 24x30 inches ! Because the lens will do very nicely at 1:5, one can probably use them for almost anything other than landscape or architecture.
    I actually initially posted that same picture from e-bay, but after reviewing the post I deleted the picture because I realized that one says SIRONAR rather than SINARON as specified in the chart link from the OP. I'm no expert on these names and have never owned a Rodenstock LF lens.

    210 5.6 Sinar Macro Sinaron 350mm
    Quote from chart.

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    Re: 210mm Lens for 8x10: Spotters Guide

    With respect to the G-Claron WA lenses. A picture of one that does NOT cover is just as important as a picture of one that DOES cover 8x10.

    Jason Greenberg Motamedi, would you have a picture of your lens??

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