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    Subjective Comparison of Several Fiber Based Papers

    Current Paper Comparison Test

    First, I apologize for being wordy.

    Some years ago I decided to standardize on a single paper for most of my printing. At the time, I made a standard straight print on many of the available papers, few of which are available today. I tested Forte, Luminos, Zone VI Brilliant, Kodak Polymax FA, and Ilford MG. After blind comparison, I chose Kodak Polymax as my paper (I was secretly hoping for something more exotic but Kodak won fair and square.) Then, of course, Kodak promptly announced its exit from the paper business. I did a quick test of a few others and went with Kentmere Fineprint VC FB paper.

    Some years have passed and I thought it was time to sample the Freestyle catalog and do another paper comparison. For film, I use BTZS methods with good results. I admit that for paper I am a bit more lax and simply print what looks good to me. So this paper test was fairly subjective. I chose a scene of a black lava flow from Hawaii that was abstract and therefore open to interpretation of how the print should look. I printed it straight with just subtle edge burning. I use TMAX film developed in XTOL 1:1. For printing I use a Beseler Dichro 45S light source and a Schneider Apo-Componon 150 mm lens. The developer is Zone VI for 2 minutes. Selenium toning was somewhat arbitrary but I chose a dilution of 1:20 for 2 minutes. I made two prints on each paper, one for selenium toning and the other un-toned. I used the following 8x10 papers:

    • Adox MCC 110
    • Adox Vario Classic
    • Fomabrom variable contrast
    • Fomatone MG (a warmtone paper with velvet surface)
    • Kentmere Fineprint VC FB
    • Ilford MG IV FB
    • Oriental Warmtone
    • Varycon


    I tried to print all of them at the same density and same contrast. The scene required about grade 3 filtration. I used the same filtration on all of the papers except two. Some observations:
    Kentmere is the least contrasty and the fastest of the group
    Ilford is the contrastiest of the group
    The warmtone papers, Oriental Warmtone and Fomatone MG, are by far the slowest

    After drying, I laid out the prints on the kitchen table which is well lit. I arranged them in pairs with the untoned version on top and the toned version on the bottom. Then I used a panel of three people (my wife, my 10 year old daughter, and myself) one at a time and blinded to the others to judge the prints on these characteristics:

    • Coldest: Kentmere (unanimous), followed by Ilford
    • Warmest: Fomabrom (unanimous)
    • Flattest: Kentmere
    • Curliest: Varycon and Ilford
    • Most responsive to selenium toner: Kentmere, Varycon
    • Least responsive to selenium toner: Ilford, Fomabrom
    • Favorite: Kentmere, Kentmere, Adox MCC 110
    • Least Favorite: Adox MCC 110, Fomabrom, Ilford


    The two warmtone papers, Oriental and Fomatone MG, were very similar. Each had a yellowish paper base which diminished after drying. Each printed as a rather off-putting greenish-yellow black when untoned. Each was extremely responsive to toner and yielded a very nice brown-black final tone. I think these are both excellent warmtone papers even though I almost always prefer cold tone papers for my prints. I preferred the Oriental because it has a glossy surface rather than the “velvet” surface of the Fomatone MG which feels a bit like sandpaper and causes a slight loss of snap to the image.

    For the other papers, the Varycon, Fomabrom, and Adox Vario Classic were very similar with Fomabrom being the warmest black of the bunch.

    I was pleased that I preferred the Kentmere paper because it confirms my previous bias and I recently bought a huge supply! But I also realized that all of the papers were excellent and I felt confident that I could print well with any of them. So these are my verdicts:

    • Adox MCC 110 – ranked both favorite and least favorite! Slightly warm tone.
    • Adox Vario Classic, Fomabrom, Varycon - “middle of the road” papers. Varycon the cheapest.
    • Ilford MG IV FB – contrasty, cold toned, most expensive
    • Kentmere FP VC – unanimous favorite print, coldest when selenium toned, inexpensive
    • Fomatone MG – great warmtone paper with velvet surface, chocolate black with selenium
    • Oriental Warmtone - favorite warmtone paper with glossy surface, chocolate black with selenium


    These are just my thoughts from a very un-scientific test. More like a wine tasting than a rigorous comparison but I thought it was fun.

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    Re: Subjective Comparison of Several Fiber Based Papers

    Did you use old Oriental WT or new Oriental WT. The new one is extremely warm. Also, you missed one of my favorite, Ilford Warmtone. I never really liked regular Ilford, but the warmtone is beautiful.

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    I think it must be new Oriental Warmtone as I just bought it.

    I have tried Ilford Warmtone in the past and did not like it but I never really got a feel for it. I have used Berger Warmtone which is very nice but expensive (like Ilford) and not currently available.

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    I'll second the Ilford for warmtone, even though I'm an Oriental guy for cold tone (except for the Kodak Elite I still have stashed). Oriental WT is a close second.

    Ilford WT is very flexible depending on developer and dilution. You can get a cold tone print from it using a cold tone developer (or 1:1 from a multi-dilution developer like Ethol LPD).

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    Re: Subjective Comparison of Several Fiber Based Papers

    Third for Ilford warmtone,
    Quote Originally Posted by Richard M. Coda View Post
    I'll second the Ilford for warmtone, even though I'm an Oriental guy for cold tone (except for the Kodak Elite I still have stashed). Oriental WT is a close second.

    Ilford WT is very flexible depending on developer and dilution. You can get a cold tone print from it using a cold tone developer (or 1:1 from a multi-dilution developer like Ethol LPD).

    YMMV

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    Re: Subjective Comparison of Several Fiber Based Papers

    Regardless of any of that... thanks so much for taking the time to post all this information. I have tried Kentmere before but didn't really care for the "tooth" of the paper... but that was a long time ago and I'll definitely re-visit it based on tihs post.

    I prefer "cold-tone" for my work so can't speak too much re the warmtone papers... although from what I have seen of others work, I'd prefer Ilford warmtone to Oriental warmtone. Besides that, it is hard for me to rationalize spending nearly $4 per sheet for 16x20 Ilford WT

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    Re: Subjective Comparison of Several Fiber Based Papers

    Of course, people will opine on one of the few papers I did not use!

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    Re: Subjective Comparison of Several Fiber Based Papers

    Quote Originally Posted by jeroldharter View Post
    Of course, people will opine on one of the few papers I did not use!
    Of course, there's a rule about that!

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    Re: Subjective Comparison of Several Fiber Based Papers

    I would be one that would like to hear your thoughts on this paper as it is my favorite.
    QUOTE=jeroldharter;535458]Of course, people will opine on one of the few papers I did not use![/QUOTE]

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    Re: Subjective Comparison of Several Fiber Based Papers

    Having done similar tests years ago on papers, many of which are no longer available, I commend you, and appreciate how much work you just went to. Kudos! Outstanding!

    The curious can download my now-far-outdated results from my web site for free.
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