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    More 510-Pyro Adventures!


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    Re: More 510-Pyro Adventures!

    And as Andy was working on this, it so happened I was doing more or less the same...

    https://tinker.koraks.nl/photography...ro-developers/

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    Re: More 510-Pyro Adventures!

    Read completely both

    I prefer Andy

    No constant anger



    Quote Originally Posted by koraks View Post
    And as Andy was working on this, it so happened I was doing more or less the same...

    https://tinker.koraks.nl/photography...ro-developers/
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    Re: More 510-Pyro Adventures!

    I tried PYRO 510 7 years ago

    I dislike thick goo, very hard to measure accurately

    and messy

    goo bad
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    Re: More 510-Pyro Adventures!

    Quote Originally Posted by Tin Can View Post
    Read completely both

    I prefer Andy

    No constant anger


    Didn't realize it was a contest.
    Also not sure what 'anger' you read. Projection?

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    Re: More 510-Pyro Adventures!

    Andy,
    I cannot thank you enough for this video. I had an encounter with a; well, let's call him a bully that tried to take me down over using acidic fixer with staining developers.
    Even though I posted three examples of negatives with beautiful stains from pyro HD & 510 fixed with an acidic fixer (one negative was ten years old), he still tried to make the 'myth' case.

    Best to you,
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    Re: More 510-Pyro Adventures!

    I have used all manner of fixers--sodium thiosulfate-based F-24, Kodak Fixer, Zone VI Fixer (which I'm pretty sure was F-24), Ilford Rapid Fix, Sprint Fixer, PF TF-4 and TF-5, and others that I can't recall at the moment--with stained negatives from a number of staining formulas over many years and I've never noticed any issue with the stain.

    Thank you, Andy, for finally (and, hopefully) putting this myth to rest!

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    Funny thing is, all one needs to do to avoid the whole issue is go back to the originator of all the “modern” staining developers - John Wimberley. He started the “pyro revival” in the late 1970s, and has always used Ilford Rapid Fixer. Even Hutchings, who’s PMK was based on Wimberley’s developer, and who’s Book of Pyro is full of classic pyro hyperbole and questionable information, used a plain old acid fixer. Etc.

    The alkaline process thing has largely been promulgated by the ‘Cookbook guys, and one of those guys would appear to have a stake in it (TF-4 anybody?), so, you know...($)

    Quote Originally Posted by darr View Post
    Andy,
    I cannot thank you enough for this video. I had an encounter with a; well, let's call him a bully that tried to take me down over using acidic fixer with staining developers.
    Even though I posted three examples of negatives with beautiful stains from pyro HD & 510 fixed with an acidic fixer (one negative was ten years old), he still tried to make the 'myth' case.

    Best to you,
    Darr

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    Re: More 510-Pyro Adventures!

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael R View Post
    Even Hutchings, who’s PMK was based on Wimberley’s developer, and who’s Book of Pyro is full of classic pyro hyperbole and questionable information, used a plain old acid fixer.
    Mr. Hutchings used F-24 (an acid fixer)...it's right in his book.

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    Re: More 510-Pyro Adventures!

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael R View Post
    Funny thing is, all one needs to do to avoid the whole issue is go back to the originator of all the “modern” staining developers - John Wimberley. He started the “pyro revival” in the late 1970s, and has always used Ilford Rapid Fixer. Even Hutchings, who’s PMK was based on Wimberley’s developer, and who’s Book of Pyro is full of classic pyro hyperbole and questionable information, used a plain old acid fixer. Etc.

    The alkaline process thing has largely been promulgated by the ‘Cookbook guys, and one of those guys would appear to have a stake in it (TF-4 anybody?), so, you know...($)
    Thank you, Michael.
    You make a lot of sense.

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