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    Selling at craft markets - hard lessons learned.

    From time to time someone on these pages asks a question about ideas for marketing their work at craft fairs or other similar venues. I've just spent the last few months trying to flog prints in this way and, for whatever it's worth, I thought I'd share my experiences. Maybe I can save someone else the heartache and money (with apologies for the length of this post).

    First, a bit of background information. I have 30+ years of images that I drew upon to print and offer for sale. I made a deliberate decision to offer a variety of styles and formats and so I had both colour and B&W images (all silver gelatin), traditional landscapes and abstracts, large format, 35mm and Polaroid SX70 images, 8x10 up to 11x14, matted as well as both matted and framed prints, along with (for good measure) greeting cards. I even scrounged up some old concert photos (CSNY, Billy Joel) from the 1970's. In other words, I tried to cover the waterfront in terms of variety. This was done in an effort to appeal to the widest possible audience.

    I priced my product as cheaply as I dared: from $4 for a blank greeting card up to $140 for a framed and matted 11X14 B&W print. Some of you will say that I was giving it away.

    The venue was a local Saturday market which was attended by dozens of different vendors: Fruits and vegetable produce, ethnic foods, hot dogs, baking, and many crafts such as jewellery, painting, woodworking, pottery and handmade clothing. Again, a pretty wide variety in an established outdoor market. The location itself is in Victoria, BC which, although not big, is a prime destination for tourists from all over the world. The market was located near the downtown core with access to both tourists and local residents.

    Although I did not attend every Saturday, I made a fairly significant commitment in time and was in attendance most Saturdays from June through mid-September. In an effort to make the sale as painless as possible, I arranged a Visa/Mastercard merchant account. In hindsight, this was not smart because of the set-up costs.

    The results were unfortunate. Here's what I learned.

    First, price is not really the issue. One potter in the market offered many pieces that were $200+ price range and was selling stuff. Another artist was selling paintings done in a folk art style on old furniture and driftwood in the same price ranges as my stuff. Woodwork in my price range was also selling.

    The market attracted many 'tire kickers' who were just out for a Saturday stroll, but there were also people who truly seemed to enjoy and 'get' photography. I had many compliments on my work - but I only sold one print (plus a couple of concert photos and a bunch of cards). People liked the work - many commented on how they loved B&W photography. I tried to play up the fact that these were traditional processes and not digital images - again, people seemed to respond to the 'retro' angle. But few sales.

    I learned that paintings, no matter how mediocre in terms of artistic merit, sell better than photography, no matter how good. People will ooh and ahh over and eventually spend $100 on a poor painting before they will spend $50 on an excellent photograph. Apparently, one is art and the other is something else.

    I think the real issue is that purchasing visual art is a major commitment for most people and they won't make impulse buys in a market type environment. They have to really love the image and be able to picture it hanging on their wall.

    Anyway, I'm vain enough that I'm going to seek other outlets and will try some of the local galleries to see if there might be a fit. But selling photography in craft markets is a tough gig.

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    Re: Selling at craft markets - hard lessons learned.

    Hi Bruce,

    I have been selling in Art Shows and Art and Craft shows since 1997, so this is my 11th year. I have sold in Connecticut, Vermont, Massachusetts, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, and Florida. It is a very tough business and is cyclic. Right now, most of the US market from my conversations with others is an a general downturn in sales at present. The economic market is not strong and we as photographers and artists are not selling a necessity of life. So we are relying on discretionary money from potential buyers.

    Also, so you know, generally if a buyer does not make a purchase while in your booth and if the individual says they will be back it is almost a foregone conclusion that they will not.

    I too am in the market for galleries and 2 have expressed interest. But I will continue with some Art Shows and will need to adjust my pricing for both markets as well as for direct marketing to businesses.

    Good luck.

    Rich
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    http://www.nelridge.com

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    I consistently talk to photographers coming to Florida and ask how sales are. A major percentage note that it depends on the economy and the show, some good some bad. I agree with Rich that things are a little flat right now. Credit card debt is high and there has been alot of talk on various TV shows about it and reducing it. Maybe people are finally listening? I think along with the tightening of the money supply and the real estate debacle it might be flat for awhile. I wish you luck, keep plugging and don't quit your day job. Thanks for the insights.

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    I have never sold at an art fair, we don't have them in Mexico and those we do called "tianguis" are usually for cheaper stuff, pirate DVDs and Software and electronics. Nevertheless, if I was to sell at a fair I would bring not only the print but a few of the work prints where I could show a potential customer the steps I went thorugh, why I took those steps and the reasoning for making the changes as well as the LF negative or transparency.

    I guess it is up to us to educate people that no, it is not just a matter of pressing a button. That no, they cannot do what we do (at least not without some years of practice and growing) and that in a way the negative is our "brush" and the paper that we print onto is our canvas where we pour our talent and vision.

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    Re: Selling at craft markets - hard lessons learned.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jorge Gasteazoro View Post
    Nevertheless, if I was to sell at a fair I would bring not only the print but a few of the work prints where I could show a potential customer the steps I went thorugh, why I took those steps and the reasoning for making the changes as well as the LF negative or transparency.

    I guess it is up to us to educate people that no, it is not just a matter of pressing a button. That no, they cannot do what we do (at least not without some years of practice and growing) and that in a way the negative is our "brush" and the paper that we print onto is our canvas where we pour our talent and vision.
    I can't agree more with this. People understand wedding/event photography and commercial photography... but art photography needs a lot of explaining. In fact, if the image doesn't immediately captures the potential buyers soul, it probably won't be bought.

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    Re: Selling at craft markets - hard lessons learned.

    I have been selling at art fairs for a several years now and can add a few more insights to any thinking of taking this route-

    yes, competition is at an all time high with lots of digital photographers thinking they can pay off that next camera they want by printing out a bunch of mediochre shots and setting up a booth. Most shows that I do have 3-4 people of whom I consider to be showing excellent work and I dont think its a coincidence that most of them are LFers! I have been to several shows where there have been over 80+ photographers distributed among the 400 booths.

    The investment to start doing this competitively is considerable- at a minimum you will need a tent, an inventory of prints in several sizes, framed work to hang up, inventory bins, and a bankroll to submit to juried shows (several can be as high as $500). dont skimp too much on the setup as several shows I get into are more interested in what the booth looks like as opposed to what the work looks like.

    Be prepared to price your work well below what you probably think it is worth and keep in mind most people are interested in the $15-50 price range and wont spend a penny over that for a photo.

    Be prepared to explain to hundreds of people what makes your work different and answer the following questions repeatedly- Is this film or digital? Is this enhanced in any way? and my favorite- Did you take all of these?

    But most importantly, be prepared to leave a show or two losing money- in todays economy, people are very tight with their money. This is based on discussions with many other people in various mediums that I talk to at the shows I do- its not an easy time to be entering this market- so if you do, be sure you are in it for the long run.

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    Re: Selling at craft markets - hard lessons learned.

    Quote Originally Posted by eric black View Post
    ..............Be prepared to explain to hundreds of people what makes your work different and answer the following questions repeatedly- Is this film or digital? Is this enhanced in any way? and my favorite- Did you take all of these?...........
    And my favorite followup question...."Were you there?" (No, I just sent my camera)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce Pollock View Post
    I learned that paintings, no matter how mediocre in terms of artistic merit, sell better than photography, no matter how good. People will ooh and ahh over and eventually spend $100 on a poor painting before they will spend $50 on an excellent photograph. Apparently, one is art and the other is something else.

    I think the real issue is that purchasing visual art is a major commitment for most people and they won't make impulse buys in a market type environment. They have to really love the image and be able to picture it hanging on their wall.

    Anyway, I'm vain enough that I'm going to seek other outlets and will try some of the local galleries to see if there might be a fit. But selling photography in craft markets is a tough gig.
    Selling photography is hard because people do not consider it art but rather reproduction and hence bad paintings out sell excellent photographs all the time because there is only one and it takes more than pushing a button to produce it!

    That my friend is the battle you are up against.

    Until you are ready to step up to the plate and realize the flaws in the photographic medium you will continue to starve unless you are willing to start thinking like an artist and produce originals. Then educate your clients / potential buyers and show them why your original is an original and all these other photographs are just that, reproductions, a dime a dozen, worthless, nothing unique.

    It is funny to me. All these photographers out there complain that they don't makes sales, etc. Look at the model they are all doing and look at how that model JUST DOES NOT WORK!

    What amazes me is this, a modern day painters such as Peter Max, Wyland, etc to name a few who have the same recognition of Michael Kenna can pull in $20-$40K a painting where as Kenna photograph brings in only $2-6K. Mind you these painters sell all the time and trust me they do not starve either.

    Think about this. You can pick up a John Sexton print new for $900? With the name behind this man I would expect to pay a much steeper price for such a work of art. But again, why would one drop $20-50K on a duplicate.

    So if the photographic model of selling prints is so perfect, why are there not any photographers living pulling in this type of income from a single image sale with the same clout as these painters? Because, like I said and I will say it again, photography to many many many collectors is not considered art and why will they throw down thousands when their are 10,20,30 or more prints that are identical out there in the world.

    So again, you can either follow the masses and starve or do something different and make a change and try to change the perception of a photograph as just another picture.

    I already know what I have started doing and I am not even going to look back...

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    Re: Selling at craft markets - hard lessons learned.

    Arts and wine festivals are notorious for lots of lookers and few takers. I suppose the best way to keep the margin somewhat in the medium range is to keep it simple. These people are probably carrying $20-$40 in their wallets at best. Try selling some loose prints wrapped up in a piece of cardboard and plastic, of course the notecards, and have just a few framed works ready to go. See if that goes any better.

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    Re: Selling at craft markets - hard lessons learned.

    Quote Originally Posted by kjsphotography View Post
    Selling photography is hard because people do not consider it art but rather reproduction and hence bad paintings out sell excellent photographs all the time because there is only one and it takes more than pushing a button to produce it!

    That my friend is the battle you are up against.

    Until you are ready to step up to the plate and realize the flaws in the photographic medium you will continue to starve unless you are willing to start thinking like an artist and produce originals. Then educate your clients / potential buyers and show them why your original is an original and all these other photographs are just that, reproductions, a dime a dozen, worthless, nothing unique.

    I already know what I have started doing and I am not even going to look back...
    Selling 1/1 likely won't make any difference. In the end it's the image that counts (and knowing your market)
    You'd be amazed how small the demand is for pictures of trees... - Fred Astaire to Audrey Hepburn

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