View Poll Results: Should there be an area for posts about old (non-supported) equipment?

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  • No, it is not necessary

    24 53.33%
  • Yes, it would be helpful

    21 46.67%
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Thread: Poll: Old Camara/Gear forum area?

  1. #11
    Donald Qualls's Avatar
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    Re: Poll: Old Camara/Gear forum area?

    Quote Originally Posted by David A. Goldfarb View Post
    When does something count as old?
    Well, I'm pretty sure my Ica and Zeiss Ideal plate cameras qualify -- the Ica is at least 80 years old, and the Zeiss not much younger. For that matter, my Speed Graphic is coming up on 70 pretty rapidly...
    If a contact print at arm's length is too small to see, you need a bigger camera. :D

  2. #12
    Rafael Garcia's Avatar
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    Re: Poll: Old Camara/Gear forum area?

    Quote Originally Posted by BrianShaw View Post
    [B]Cameras & Camera Accessories (34 Viewing)
    Large format cameras of all types and sizes.[/B]

    Maybe the LFF Managing-Director could add "and ages" to the forum description?
    Thanks for pointing that out... precisely what would be changed!

    Everybody: Yes, I understand how things are now, and they are o.k. Do not be so afraid of change that you have to point out the obvious. All I suggest is a tiny change to the way things are set up, and have been set up for probably the life of this forum. It will not even happen, as moderators have already expressed their opposition to the proposal. I happen to think it would improve things for me and others, and want to know, because there was some support in the original post, how many others agreed with me. No big deal if it doesn't happen: I will still read and post and enjoy your company (you may have a different perspective on my company already). Brian, I had seen the inclusive caption before. Please re-read why I think that doesn't work as well for sharing info with owners of old stuff. No harm meant by my suggestion. The caption would not change. There would be a sub-forum with a title like "Vintage" below it, as a way to organize information so it's readily accessible, and not overwhelmed by posts about equipment that is still being manufactured. Searches could access both the main forum "Cameras and Camera Accessories" and "Vintage"; that would work fine. The idea is that the posts on old cameras would not scroll off the screen in a day, because the most visited/responded to posts are on newer equipment. Before I get shown the 'Search' button let me say I know it's there, and know how to use it (and do use it). Searches for specific subjects or terms may not bring up peripheral information relevant to a search if the same exact terms are not used in the search. That is why a sub-forum is better.
    Last edited by Rafael Garcia; 11-Nov-2006 at 13:32.

  3. #13

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    Re: Poll: Old Camara/Gear forum area?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rafael Garcia View Post
    Brian, I had seen the inclusive caption before. Please re-read why I think that doesn't work as well for sharing info with owners of old stuff.
    Respectfully submitted: no, thank you. I read what you said, acknowledged that I don't particularly agree, and now I'm becoming bored with the brow-beating.

    Good luck in your endeavor, but as a fellow user of old equipment I have had no difficulty working within the design of the current LFF configuration. In fact, when APUG added (one Saturday when Sean must have been bored) lots of additional forums and sub-forums, I found APUG to have become very difficult to participate in.

    Damn it... there I go again... I just told myself to shut up and stop responding to this thread. Sorry to carry on like that. I won't do it again.

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    Rafael Garcia's Avatar
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    Re: Poll: Old Camara/Gear forum area?

    Brian: It's not important. So we disagree... No big deal.

    PS: If you go to , a tropical fish hobbyist forum I have visited for a while, you will see an example of the sub-forum inter-connectivity I am referring to. There the image galleries are sub-forums to the main thread topics. They share the same search parameters and the sub-forum content also shows up on the main thread content. It is not a separation of subjects, but it is a great way to organize the images so those only wanting to look at them can do so without having to go through the entire thread. I believe the engine of that forum may be the same as on this one.
    Last edited by Rafael Garcia; 11-Nov-2006 at 14:24.

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    All metric sizes to 24x30 Ole Tjugen's Avatar
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    Re: Poll: Old Camara/Gear forum area?

    "Old (non-supported) equipment"...

    My two "serious" cameras both fail to qualify: One is a 1950's Gandolfi Traditional which is old, but still supported. The other is a 1990's Carbon Infinity - new(ish), but non-supported.

    That most of my various plate cameras qualify is another matter, except perhaps for the Russian 30x40cm plate camera which could have been made at any time between 1930 and 1995.

    My point is that there are far too many makes, models and ages of equipment in use to separate out the old and/or non-supported models as if they are in any way "special".

  6. #16

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    Re: Poll: Old Camara/Gear forum area?

    Necessary? No.
    Helpful? Yes.
    Digital camera section on a LF forum? Why?
    Not necessarily a cut-off date, but just vintage types or styles. Certainly our dear dorffs could fall into a vintage category. Even the home-brewers would be able to glean some insightful info and ideas from some of the old woodie-type field and views. It could be a place where a home-brewer and/or the restorer and/or the bottom-feeder could go to exchange ideas for or availability of, parts etc. Much like Rafael and his contraption for lens-board tilt/swing. The vast majority of the home-brews look like take-offs from some of the earlier cameras. Seems like I recall another forum where they have a section referring to the Canon cameras "Popular during ther Reagan years". Perhaps they could initiate something along those lines, and all the loungers could go there to post their individual political perspectives.

  7. #17

    Re: Poll: Old Camara/Gear forum area?

    I'm going to vote no on this. I read about many here shooting older equipment already, old lenses, old Graphics, old Burke and James, Deardorfs etc and don't see a sub forum as being productive. Where do you draw the "old" line anyways? One idea that may be helpful would be to title threads more intelligently such that future searches would provide a more comprehensive list of what information is available.

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    Re: Poll: Old Camara/Gear forum area?

    Is it true that a two-thirds majority is needed to amend the forum constitution?

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