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    Re: How to identify Horseman monorail camera models

    I'm just looking to shoot a 90 mm lens without having to change the bellows or the rail on The horseman LX.

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    Re: How to identify Horseman monorail camera models

    Most likely need a recessed lensboard

    Don' t buy a Horseman

    Read some books

    Quote Originally Posted by Califmike33 View Post
    I'm just looking to shoot a 90 mm lens without having to change the bellows or the rail on The horseman LX.
    Tin Can

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    Re: How to identify Horseman monorail camera models

    Don't buy a horseman okay why is that?

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    Because you don't need it, way too heavy too

    Also every member on this forum has a different plan for everything

    That makes it fun for us

    I am a book learner, I read a lot, always have

    Here is my final suggestion

    4X5 90mm lens just like one of mine

    3D printed, super lightweight, super sharp tiny lens

    No tripod, handheld. I use flash bulbs, but a modern strobe will work

    This is one shot, guessing at exposure and distance, no focus, the square metal is the viewfinder

    3AM bar closed my best friends at that time, 10 years ago

    Not perfect, no crop, I like it and that is all that is needed

    I will post the camera IF YOU are interested

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    Turbo by TIN CAN COLLEGE, on Flickr





    Quote Originally Posted by Califmike33 View Post
    Don't buy a horseman okay why is that?
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    Re: How to identify Horseman monorail camera models

    The first version and actual camera I used use

    NOW I have the same lens on a Printed copy

    1 4X5 Plastic KickStarter Made in Chicagp by TIN CAN COLLEGE, on Flickr
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    Re: How to identify Horseman monorail camera models

    Very interesting.

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    Re: How to identify Horseman monorail camera models

    Quote Originally Posted by Bernice Loui View Post
    Take the time to look over the old B&H view camera catalog from back in them days.. Listings and info from Arca Swiss to Toyo.
    https://www.bhphotovideo.com/FrameWo...FormatView.pdf

    There was a time not too long ago when Horseman L series monorails were beyond extreme bargains on the market as they were widely un-appreciated for what they are (excellent monorail). Having owned/used the Horseman L series in the past, they are nice in many ways and some what interchangeable with Sinar modules. It was possible to purchase the basic Horseman LE for a bit more than $100 or the cost of a few boxes of 4x5 film back in them days.. Not any more as with most things view camera, the market popularity has increased their value.. Don't get caught up in "features" as any of these Horseman L series is fully capable of most any combination of camera movements front and rear needed. Features are essentially time savers when used properly, ponder if you're working in a commercial studio environment pressed to produce a mountain of sheet film with deadlines around your neck and a mountain of bill that must be paid... In this specific environment is when these view camera "features" can make a difference ~and~ these feature must be properly used if they are to have any benefits. Know this is nothing like digital or 35mm or 120 roll film cameras where features and options are a "thing" that is marketed to sell gear. Think buttons on them old VCR or similar remotes where 90+ % of them buttons are never used.. with less than 10% of them buttons are ever used.

    Realities are, at the beginning of trying to learn how to view camera, there are SO many skills and knowledge that must be gained and developed, don't overly focus on the camera.. focus on getting -A- good camera (IMO, a good modular monorail) then work hard at learning, acquiring, developing the skills and knowledge on how to view camera. What can become a serious obstacle is a view camera or Lenin shutter that fights you and does not do what they are required to do with little confusion or difficulty in operation as it is difficult enough to learn how to view camera.. any obstacles added will make the learning curve that much more difficult.

    As for "condition".. beauty is only finish deep.. What is far more important is functionality.. That beauty on the top visible part of the finish can and will never make your images more ... beautiful...



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    Bernice
    Great information on the BH photo link, if i get on its the LE its the lightest at 9 pounds.

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    Re: How to identify Horseman monorail camera models

    Horseman L series, 90mm with the standard bellow is just ok at infinity focus. 90mm with the bag bellows is significantly better for camera movements. 75mm at infinity focus is about it for standard or bag bellows as the front/rear standards are not able to come together close enough without camera contortions.. Horseman spec is 65mm, not gonna happen. This is why using a recessed lens board is a must and why another reasons why Horseman L series is limiting. There is a limit to how much camera/bellows draw can be had which is another limitations. Yes, the more deluxe models have a expandable rail, once fully extended the accessory standard and extra bellows will be needed. Adding more camera/bellows extension become "interesting" beyond this standard offering..

    These are good to excellent as indoor/studio table top or similar. There are media images of AA using Horseman L.. but not with a really wide angle/short focal length lens..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Califmike33 View Post
    I'm just looking to shoot a 90 mm lens without having to change the bellows or the rail on The horseman LX.

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    Re: How to identify Horseman monorail camera models

    Quote Originally Posted by Califmike33 View Post
    Let me ask you a question is it possible to take this apart and get it into a backpack to take on a you know maybe a mile mile and a half walk off the side of the road or is that unrealistic?
    It is fairly quick process to pack it up, but not by taking it apart. Instead, the front and rear standards can be rotated so that they are parallel to the bottom rail, making for a long but relatively thin thing to drop into a top-loading rucksack. I carry it in the field with me for HABS/HAER projects--I definitely earn my dinners on those days with the effort, but I find it worth it. I have also done some limited hiking in the Organ Mountains in NM, stripping down the kit as much as possible. I find it to be a most remarkable camera, I hope to finish out my career with the thing.

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    Re: How to identify Horseman monorail camera models

    Quote Originally Posted by Bernice Loui View Post
    Horseman L series, 90mm with the standard bellow is just ok at infinity focus. 90mm with the bag bellows is significantly better for camera movements. 75mm at infinity focus is about it for standard or bag bellows as the front/rear standards are not able to come together close enough without camera contortions.. Horseman spec is 65mm, not gonna happen. This is why using a recessed lens board is a must and why another reasons why Horseman L series is limiting. There is a limit to how much camera/bellows draw can be had which is another limitations. Yes, the more deluxe models have a expandable rail, once fully extended the accessory standard and extra bellows will be needed. Adding more camera/bellows extension become "interesting" beyond this standard offering..

    These are good to excellent as indoor/studio table top or similar. There are media images of AA using Horseman L.. but not with a really wide angle/short focal length lens..

    Click image for larger version. 

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ID:	233304


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    Bernice
    I've found that by flipping the front standard and using a bag bellows, I can get more movements with my 75mm lens than the lens will cover.

    Bruce

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