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    Which first Rear Movement and Asymmetrical Tilt Chamonix 45F2

    I just acquired a 45F2 with asymmetrical tilt. My question...If I use rear tilt to alter foreground perspective, should I do this before applying focus? And d0 I focus foreground or background first?

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    Re: Which first Rear Movement and Asymmetrical Tilt Chamonix 45F2

    I assume you are total beginner, correct me if wrong

    Get a book

    First learn how to shoot without movements except focus
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    Re: Which first Rear Movement and Asymmetrical Tilt Chamonix 45F2

    Get a book, a magnifier of some sort and practice.

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    Re: Which first Rear Movement and Asymmetrical Tilt Chamonix 45F2

    You might look up the instructions for Sinar cameras. Although the details of operation will be different, the principles will be the same.
    I used a Sinar F2 on the job for many years, but can't recall ever using asymmetrical movements (if indeed that model has them). It's been well over a decade now!

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    Re: Which first Rear Movement and Asymmetrical Tilt Chamonix 45F2

    Hi, I think you're just checking for confirmation.

    As you know, large format camera control is an iterative process and I would always check focus after any camera movements.

    And generally, I focus background first then adjust for foreground but I don't believe it makes any difference, if it's done the other way around.

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    Re: Which first Rear Movement and Asymmetrical Tilt Chamonix 45F2

    Asymmetrical Tilt or Swing.. idea/concept is to place the first point of focus as essentially fixed, this allows the second point/area to be adjusted without the first point of focus shifting too much. Goal of Asymmetrical Tilt or Swing is to ease or reduce the camera movement iterations to achieve where the actual plane of focus happens a bit easier over cameras without this feature.

    There is often still the need to shift/rise/fall the ground glass image after swing/tilt movements are applied due to image position shift. There is no "free lunch"..

    That said, have been a Sinar P user for decades and many other non Asymmetrical Tilt or Swing view cameras, it can save time and make applying these camera movements a easier and in some ways simpler .. but it still comes down to the skill and ability of the image maker to apply and implement these features to achieve their image goals.


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    Re: Which first Rear Movement and Asymmetrical Tilt Chamonix 45F2

    Can anyone who actually uses asymmetrical tilt address the OP's specific question? What is your step-by-step approach to tackling the scenario posed?

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    Re: Which first Rear Movement and Asymmetrical Tilt Chamonix 45F2

    Quote Originally Posted by McAir View Post
    I just acquired a 45F2 with asymmetrical tilt. My question...If I use rear tilt to alter foreground perspective, should I do this before applying focus? And d0 I focus foreground or background first?
    Focus on the background first along the asymmetrical line marking for distance. Then apply asymmetrical tilt to the back standard until the foreground comes into best focus along the foreground asymmetrical line. You shouldn't have to refocus the lens.

    The one question someone else has to answer to be sure, is if you raise or lower the front standard to place the distance point on the line and focus the lens when you move it back to the original height position, do you have to refocus?

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    Re: Which first Rear Movement and Asymmetrical Tilt Chamonix 45F2

    Quote Originally Posted by Oren Grad View Post
    Can anyone who actually uses asymmetrical tilt address the OP's specific question? What is your step-by-step approach to tackling the scenario posed?
    See my last post. I have a Chamonix 45H-1 that has rear asymmetrical tilt.
    "Focus on the background first along the asymmetrical line marking for distance. Then apply asymmetrical tilt to the back standard until the foreground comes into best focus along the foreground asymmetrical line. You shouldn't have to refocus the lens."

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    Re: Which first Rear Movement and Asymmetrical Tilt Chamonix 45F2

    Quote Originally Posted by McAir View Post
    I just acquired a 45F2 with asymmetrical tilt. My question...If I use rear tilt to alter foreground perspective, should I do this before applying focus? And d0 I focus foreground or background first?
    Hmmmm, that's an interesting question.

    You need to tilt the back to change perspective, but you also need to tilt the back to make use of the asymmetrical tilt focusing feature. I don't see how these two functions can be combined without conflicting. In other words, there's no advantage to using the asymmetrical tilt for focusing when you also need to tilt the back for perspective correction. I would tilt the back first to achieve the desired perspective, then use the front standard tilt to achieve desired focus in the conventional manner.

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