How many film holders do you bring for a day out?

[r.e.]

Marrash also demonstrates shooting with X-ray film (green, full speed) in the first 5m 45s of this 2021 video:

[Michael R]

Proper film is a cost of the hobby. Telling a newcomer (or anyone for that matter) to use x-ray film is bad advice. Sorry.

[j.e.simmons]

X-ray film has to be learned just as any film does. Used within its limitations, it works well.

[maltfalc]

Proper film is a cost of the hobby. Telling a newcomer (or anyone for that matter) to use x-ray film is bad advice. Sorry.

the x-ray film thread is over 600 pages long, so apparently plenty of people who aren't you have managed to do just fine with it.

[Dugan]

Maybe we should recommend that newcomers memorize "The Negative" by AA, too....so they can apply the Zone System calibrations to their X-Ray film.
Ya know, make it hard for them so they get discouraged and quit?
That sounds like a great idea! ...NOT.

[Michael R]

the x-ray film thread is over 600 pages long, so apparently plenty of people who aren't you have managed to do just fine with it.

“Just fine” is a matter of opinion. Of course x-ray film can be exposed and processed. However it was not designed to be either exposed or processed in the ways most typically undertaken in the practice of general photography. Putting aside the technical issues, there is the (apparently unimportant) matter of tone reproduction - x-ray film is not panchromatic, nor does it have a long exposure scale. Presumably a newcomer the the LF hobby, with its inherent technical challenges, would be better served by a less recalcitrant, purpose-made product. x-ray film isn’t simply a cheaper option. It’s an alternative process.

Everybody do what they want, of course. I just don’t think x-ray film is a material someone ought to begin LF with.

[Havoc]

https://www.ebay.nl/sch/i.html?_from...0x12&_osacat=0

https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_f...10x12&_sacat=0

I looked at those and they all come from the US or further away. Let's take a look at just the first on the list:
- 100 sheets 10x12 (approx 4x5) €39.61
- postage €45.63
- taxes and duties, 30% on the total of film and postage €25.57

Total = €110.81

A box of 50 sheets Fomapan 100 4x5 is €34.95 (incl of taxes). And Fomapan 100 isn't that bad a film, I like it.

The larger sizes might be more interesting. But not having local sources means it can get expensive anyway once it passes customs. And can you be sure it doesn't pass any x-ray on the way?

[fotopfw]

In rough terrain, backpacking, I take 5 holders (4x5"), I fill my holder always with the complete pack of film (Portra, Ektar).
8x10" I don't wander far from the car, so I take more with me in the car.

[maltfalc]

I looked at those and they all come from the US or further away. Let's take a look at just the first on the list:
- 100 sheets 10x12 (approx 4x5) €39.61
- postage €45.63
- taxes and duties, 30% on the total of film and postage €25.57

Total = €110.81

A box of 50 sheets Fomapan 100 4x5 is €34.95 (incl of taxes). And Fomapan 100 isn't that bad a film, I like it.

The larger sizes might be more interesting. But not having local sources means it can get expensive anyway once it passes customs. And can you be sure it doesn't pass any x-ray on the way?

10x12 = 25x30cm. that's 600 100x125mm (4x5) sheets. €9.23 (total) per 50 4x5 sheets. it's clearly marked as film and shouldn't get x-rayed. even if it did, it's iso is ten times too low to be fogged by an x-ray scanner.

[maltfalc]

Maybe we should recommend that newcomers memorize "The Negative" by AA, too....so they can apply the Zone System calibrations to their X-Ray film.
Ya know, make it hard for them so they get discouraged and quit?
That sounds like a great idea! ...NOT.

are you seriously complaining about there being a large amount of information on a subject to help people understand it? you know there's a search function right? you don't have to read all 600 pages, ffs.