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    There is a weird little screw on my Schneider SA XL 5,6/58

    There is a weird little screw on my Schneider Super Angulon XL 5,6/58 lens that protruded from the back just enough so that I canít properly mount the lens, that it is really level and flat on my Chamonix 4x5 lensboard wich is perfectly flat on the side pointing away from the ground glas.

    It doesnít look like this is because of dirt or anything it looks like the screw is exactly designed for that purpose and canít be screed in further.

    What is this and what should I do about it? Should I completely remove that screw? It doesnít look like it is holding anything.
    Am I doing something wrong?

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    Re: There is a weird little screw on my Schneider SA XL 5,6/58

    That is the locating pin. Its meant to fit into a hole in the correct board to prevent the shutter from rotating.
    Assuming I'm correct (corroboration?), it can be removed, as this is its only purpose.

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    Re: There is a weird little screw on my Schneider SA XL 5,6/58

    Either drill a small hole in the correct place on the board or take it off and put it in a zip lock bag for future use or not. That is all that it’s there for.

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    Re: There is a weird little screw on my Schneider SA XL 5,6/58

    As pointed out by others, that is an "anti rotation" screw, to prevent the shutter spinning on lensboards if the retaining ring becomes loose, more of an issue on wooden boards with humidity changes. There would be a corresponding notch or hole in the bore of the board to accept it.
    You may remove that screw without worry to get the shutter to sit flat on the board.
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    Re: There is a weird little screw on my Schneider SA XL 5,6/58

    My Crown Graphic lens boards each have a little divot to accept those locating screws...but yeah - you can just remove that screw and save it for whatever (or maybe there's a Crown or Speed Graphic in your future?).

    You would not want to drill holes into your existing lens boards to accept this screw because...then you'd have extra holes in your lens boards!

    Or...you could get fancy, drill blind holes in your lens boards, tap these with a flat bottomed tap, and there you go! But you'd need to be very careful and precise.

    Actually, there are those times when a lens begins to come loose while in the field...and if I'm without my lens wrench I'll usually unscrew the offending lens' rear glass, hold the retaining nut by hand, and screw the lens in by grasping the shutter in front prior to replacing the rear glass. Not always a great option if its raining/snowing/blowing sand.

    The thing about those positioning screws is that they're really there to help position a lens as the retaining ring is tightened...and not so much to depend upon to keep a lens positioned if its retaining screw comes loose - although it does help in this way temporarily.

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    Re: There is a weird little screw on my Schneider SA XL 5,6/58

    Quote Originally Posted by paulbarden View Post
    That is the locating pin. Its meant to fit into a hole in the correct board to prevent the shutter from rotating.
    Assuming I'm correct (corroboration?), it can be removed, as this is its only purpose.
    yes thats to prevent the shutter from rotating on the lens board. it fits in a tiny hole or notch. it can be removed.

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    Re: There is a weird little screw on my Schneider SA XL 5,6/58

    Thank you all for the info. I have seen two or three different different unscrewed lensboards so far, none of them contained such a hole for it and my other lenses don't have such a produding screw. So is this this generally not such a common standard? Where does this come from? What lenses/boards usually have this?

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    Re: There is a weird little screw on my Schneider SA XL 5,6/58

    Quote Originally Posted by Conrad . Marvin View Post
    Either drill a small hole in the correct place on the board or take it off and put it in a zip lock bag for future use or not. That is all that it’s there for.
    Immediately pit that very tiny threaded pin in a zip lock bag and label the bag. I once removed a threaded pin and set it on the counter, only to accidentally hit it and send it flying on to the floor... never found that pin and the floor was painted concrete and not a rug which would have certainly ate it up. Does any one have a simple method of determining where to exactly drill the hole in the lens board to accept the pin? On all my lenses I place a dab of glue from a hot glue gun on the back of the retaining ring or flange. As a backup it secures the retaining ring or flange from rotating and is very easy to remove.

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    Re: There is a weird little screw on my Schneider SA XL 5,6/58

    Quote Originally Posted by Greg View Post
    Immediately pit that very tiny threaded pin in a zip lock bag and label the bag. I once removed a threaded pin and set it on the counter, only to accidentally hit it and send it flying on to the floor... never found that pin and the floor was painted concrete and not a rug which would have certainly ate it up. Does any one have a simple method of determining where to exactly drill the hole in the lens board to accept the pin? On all my lenses I place a dab of glue from a hot glue gun on the back of the retaining ring or flange. As a backup it secures the retaining ring or flange from rotating and is very easy to remove.
    Get a rubber stamp pad. Rub the pad over the screw head. Put the shutter in the lens board hole and press down. You will have a mark where to drill or file out.

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    Re: There is a weird little screw on my Schneider SA XL 5,6/58

    It will do no harm to remove it. Use a knife such as a steak knife to get it started, if you do not have a jewelers screwdriver.

    Linhof especially pushed this, as they had a lens board with a quick connect for a cable release, that required a shutter be correctly positioned for it to work consistently. As someone mentioned, Graflex also went with a screw to set shutter position correctly for flash trigger on lens board.

    It should not be removed on a #3 shutter, however, as the brass screw in back is a stop to prevent damage to the aperture blades in a #3 shutter.

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