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    What is the fancy name for C-41 and RA4 processed prints.

    I have a little showing of some of my color work taken many years ago. I have noticed over the years that in describing their work, photographers will describe black and white prints as "silver gelatin print". Sound so fancy! What should I call my C-41 negatives printed on RA-4 paper?
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    Re: What is the fancy name for C-41 and RA4 processed prints.

    Hand Made

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    Re: What is the fancy name for C-41 and RA4 processed prints.

    Both C-41 and RA-4 are chromogenic processes. Museums and galleries often label the prints as "chromogenic prints".

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    I think I will go with "Hand Made Chromogenic Prints".
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    Museums use these terms to indicate the material, which matters for conservation purposes, as well as to be fancy. My memory of this is that "silver gelatin print" = B&W on fiber base, "silver print" = B&W on RC paper (this doesn't make a lot of sense to me, doesn't RC paper have gelatin?), and "chromogenic color print" for RA-4 or other C-prints. Cibachrome or Ilfochrome got called something else (maybe simply referred to by the brand name).

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    Quote Originally Posted by reddesert View Post
    Cibachrome or Ilfochrome got called something else (maybe simply referred to by the brand name).
    When they want to be schmancy they call it "dye destruction".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oren Grad View Post
    When they want to be schmancy they call it "dye destruction".
    Thanks, pretty sure that is the phrase I had lost.

    Who wouldn't want to make a dye destruction print? It has a nice revolutionary-fervor sound to it.

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    Re: What is the fancy name for C-41 and RA4 processed prints.

    C print, colour Print, dye coupler print if you want to get fancy

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    Dye destruction prints involving a strong acid like former Cibachrome/Ifochrome are "chromolytic" prints. More ordinary prints generated from dye couplers, creating the final hues secondarily, are "chromogenic", associated with RA4 chemistry, and often in the past were abbreviated as "C-prints". The less common "R print" method involved positive film originals instead, and reversal during processing. Dye transfer prints were a multiple pass technique, transferring dye from a special film to a mordanted paper.

    Then there are all kinds of hand-layered processes involving actual pigments (not to be confused with modern inkjet printing, which is NOT in fact a true pigment medium). And those kinds of folks might resent the term "hand made" being applied to any commercialized process. You're expected to choose your own colorants and coat your own paper, layer after layer.

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