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    Re: Schneider APO-Tele Xenar HM 800 f/12?

    ...and what about that evil grapefruit with toothpick character - you think I'll ever set foot in the produce isle again? Not on your life!

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    Re: Schneider APO-Tele Xenar HM 800 f/12?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Fromm View Post
    Dan, how do you manage the stand in the field?
    +1 I wonder if its possible at all to make a decent picture with this 'monster' or else put: which picture requires all this stuff ;-)
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    Re: Schneider APO-Tele Xenar HM 800 f/12?

    which picture requires all this stuff ;-)
    One can take a picture of anything that reflects or radiates light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron (Netherlands) View Post
    which picture requires all this stuff ;-)
    How about these gorgeous examples by Master Photographer Reinhart Wolf? They required all this stuff

    Very inspirational to me. SEE HERE:

    https://www.google.com/search?q=rein...Rck44-FUvCYhWM

    Here is his camera:

    https://www.pinterest.com/pin/310255861801546016/
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    Re: Schneider APO-Tele Xenar HM 800 f/12?

    600/800/1200 mm Tele Nikkor & 5x7 Sinar...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron (Netherlands) View Post
    +1 I wonder if its possible at all to make a decent picture with this 'monster' or else put: which picture requires all this stuff ;-)
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    Re: Schneider APO-Tele Xenar HM 800 f/12?

    The nice thing about monorails is that you don't need a heavy monster tele lens. A few more inches of bellows extension and a process lens at the end weighs a lot less than a tele. The far bigger question is just finding atmospheric conditions clear enough, and devoid of heat waves, which warrant 8x10 over 4x5 in the first place. And enlarging something to merely the size of a magazine cover or page certainly doesn't begin to distinguish the difference!

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    Re: Schneider APO-Tele Xenar HM 800 f/12?

    Wolf's exhibit prints were quite large as seen here

    https://www.artsy.net/show/taschen-r...-wolf-new-york

    I have his books "New York" "Castles in Spain" and "Villas of the Venito".

    All done 8x10 Sinar Norma occasionally 5x7 up to 1000mm.

    Yesterday I printed a studio portrait test 20 inch 520mm on 4x5, visually like 1000mm on 8x10. Used the big camera stand

    You should seek out his black and whites of Architecture in the Deep South done towards the end.

    He was always a tour de force
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    Re: Schneider APO-Tele Xenar HM 800 f/12?

    I have often printed immaculate Cibas that big from both 4X5 and 8x10. There is ample real estate (surface area) with either format for more detail than the naked eye can even perceive. I don't use teles, but do use up to a Fuji 600C for 8x10, or often a 450C for 4x5, which is an equivalent perspective to 900mm in 8x10. Like I said, the weak link in long distance views per se is always the intervening atmosphere itself, not the limitation of modern optics or the detail capacity of modern film. With black and white film, haze can be cut through to a considerable extent with red filtration, of course. UV filters help only slightly with color film. And I use precision filmholders for 8x10. I have always gravitated toward longer focal lengths myself, but not necessarily the extremes. If you time it right, distant views in the high mountains can be especially rewarding. The past two years forest fire smoke everywhere has defeated nearly all of those particular opportunities. I was out with my Norma this afternoon; I love working with it.

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    Re: Schneider APO-Tele Xenar HM 800 f/12?

    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel Unkefer View Post
    How about these gorgeous examples
    ..come on..that's a matter of taste really...
    and if you want to just copy his set up, that might be a nice aim in itself, just to tryout...
    ...but I don't seem to get at what's really so cool about it....

    btw I see quite a lot of these type of - no offence meant - 'technical pictures' on the German LF forum where there seem to be more users and lovers of these more modern camera's and its technicalities ;-)
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    Re: Schneider APO-Tele Xenar HM 800 f/12?

    Technical excellence alone is not enough to produce an expressive image. To achieve that demands technical excellence, creativity, artistic ability and LOTs more.

    Two basic aspects of photography are technical / creative_artistic. Difficulty occurs when any given image maker/creator focuses excessively on one single aspect of the image making process believing that is THE means to the "perfect" image.. which does not result in the "perfect" image.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron (Netherlands) View Post
    ..come on..that's a matter of taste really...
    and if you want to just copy his set up, that might be a nice aim in itself, just to tryout...
    ...but I don't seem to get at what's really so cool about it....

    btw I see quite a lot of these type of - no offence meant - 'technical pictures' on the German LF forum where there seem to be more users and lovers of these more modern camera's and its technicalities ;-)

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