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    Re: Schneider Kreuznach Super Angulon MC XL 5,6/58

    Quote Originally Posted by Kornscharfsteller View Post
    Was that (nice) image shot using a center ND filter? I wonder how strong the vignetting actually is on 4x5 on that lens without a center ND filter.
    1) learn to do the arithmetic. With a 58, the corners of 4x5 will be 2.8 stops down from the center.
    2) there's a link to an article in post #6 above. Read the article.
    3) since you don't like the idea of using a CF, just buy the damned lens and find out whether you can tolerate its vignetting.

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    Re: Schneider Kreuznach Super Angulon MC XL 5,6/58

    I’ve owned both the 58xl and the 47xl, back when I was shooting 4x5. Both are really good lenses, but my favorite was the 47xl. It is one of the widest angles of view in a large format lens, I think 120 deg. The image circle is the same on each, the center filters are optional, when I sheet color, especially velvia 50, it was mandatory. With black and white I prefer no center filter, I like my edges a little darker to draw you in anyway. The vignetting is not extreme with black and white. The 58xl utilizes a slightly lighter center filter because it doesn’t vignette as much as the 47xl.

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    Re: Schneider Kreuznach Super Angulon MC XL 5,6/58

    Thanks. No CF on that photo. Agree with everything John says above.
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    Re: Schneider Kreuznach Super Angulon MC XL 5,6/58

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Fromm View Post
    1) learn to do the arithmetic. With a 58, the corners of 4x5 will be 2.8 stops down from the center.
    And more or less supported by Shneider's own data stating 20% illumination at f/22 and infinity focus and an image circle of 166.2mm.
    20% is about 2.2 stops.

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    Re: Schneider Kreuznach Super Angulon MC XL 5,6/58

    Quote Originally Posted by Kornscharfsteller View Post
    So the question still stands: Is this lens generally considered to be a really good super wide angle lens? Are there better ones?

    Also, it looks like that lens goes on eBay between 600 and 900 Euro. That seems rather overpriced, or not?
    Yes it's considered a really good super wide angle. And not much to choose from and my guess is that you won't see any difference from other offerings in normal shooting conditions. So if you want to shoot that wide just go for it.
    And as long as you don't shoot transparencies a center filter is optional.

    Don't worry about the corner sharpness, worry about composition instead. How to not include everything in the frame.

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    Re: Schneider Kreuznach Super Angulon MC XL 5,6/58

    That is the way Nature IS, Nature will NOT be denied.

    All the Schneider XL wide angle lenses are absolutely Excellent in every way. Know they are designed and optimized to be used at f16 to f45. If this is a focal length that works your image goals, there is little reasons to not own-use it. Schneider's series of XL wide angles were the last of their kind with 115 to 120 degree angle of view. There will be no more view camera lenses made or designed like these, unless you're willing to spend six figures of U$D to fund an optical specialty company to design and build a special. Even then, that special will have it's specific set of trade-offs including light fall off just like this Schneider XL and the long list of others.

    As for "sharpness" and all those habituated Foto marking monikers, much if not all of that marketing stuff does not apply to the world of sheet film view camera stuff from when working Photographers_creative artist were using this stuff daily to put food on their table, roof on top of their studio and daily survival.

    There is way far more than "sharpness" and all that Foto blather that results in an expressive image.


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    Quote Originally Posted by lassethomas View Post
    And more or less supported by Shneider's own data stating 20% illumination at f/22 and infinity focus and an image circle of 166.2mm.
    20% is about 2.3 stops.

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    Re: Schneider Kreuznach Super Angulon MC XL 5,6/58

    Quote Originally Posted by Bernice Loui View Post
    That is the way Nature IS, Nature will NOT be denied.

    There is way far more than "sharpness" and all that Foto blather that results in an expressive image.

    Bernice

    Bernice, Honestly I love it when you say that stuff. Never stop!

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    Graflex Grandagon on Norma Board by Nokton48, on Flickr
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    I used the Graflex XL Grandagon lens on the 4x5 Norma, back in the 80s before there were SA-XL lenses. It did work OK for my uses and almost covered 4x5 when focused hyperfocally. Recently I did a CLA repair on it and it is now usuable again

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    4x5 Sinar Norma 58mm f5.6 Graflex XL Grandagon, Ilford HP5 (not +!) D76 1:1 8x10 Unicolor Unidrum Omega DII laser aligned Omegalite diffusion head Arista #2 RC Multigrade dev
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    Re: Schneider Kreuznach Super Angulon MC XL 5,6/58

    If I was in your place, I’d get the72mm SAXL.

    Much bigger IC and far easier to use.

    (And less physics for you to argue with…)
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    Re: Schneider Kreuznach Super Angulon MC XL 5,6/58

    72mm XL is a great lens! But it's not a replacement for the 58mm XL...unless you are shooting 5x7 .
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