Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 12

Thread: Not understanding Toyo Base Tilt Front and Rear

  1. #1

    Not understanding Toyo Base Tilt Front and Rear

    This is part of the specifications of a couple of Toyo cameras with a value of 90° + 15°. Does this mean that the camera doesn't have back tilt?

  2. #2
    Tin Can's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Posts
    22,389

    Re: Not understanding Base Tilt Front and Rear

    Name that camera!
    Tin Can

  3. #3
    Benjamin's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2021
    Location
    Montreal, Quebec
    Posts
    71

    Re: Not understanding Base Tilt Front and Rear

    I second what Tin Can said: specify which Toyo models you're looking at and people will be able to answer very quickly.

  4. #4

    Re: Not understanding Toyo Base Tilt Front and Rear

    The Toyo Field 45AII http://www.toyoview.com/Products/45CF/45CF.html is one of theirs that has this specification.

  5. #5
    Tin Can's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Posts
    22,389

    Re: Not understanding Toyo Base Tilt Front and Rear

    It can tilt forward up to 90 and has 15 degree rear tilt

    But now you know that
    Tin Can

  6. #6

    Join Date
    Sep 1998
    Location
    Oregon now (formerly Austria)
    Posts
    3,397

    Re: Not understanding Toyo Base Tilt Front and Rear

    The tilt specs are somewhat confusing.

    The problem with the specifications is that they often don't take into account that the bellows get in the way (especially the specs for the base tilts).

    No one is going to tilt either standard 90° from its starting position; the spec is there just to show the mechanical possibilities.

    So, to the camera specs you linked to:

    "Specifications
    Reversible Vertical / Horizontal Back.........YES
    Front Tilt.........................................15° + 15° (I understand this to be axis tilts in addition to base tilts; 15° in either direction)
    Manual Front Rise.....................49mm (28.5 rise, 20.5mm fall) (this is clear)
    Manual Front Shift.....................28.5 + 28.5 mm (28.5mm shift in either direction)
    Manual Front Swing.....................20°+20° (20° swing in either direction)
    Base Tilt front & rear.....................90°+15° (Here's the confusion: you *could* tilt 90° one direction if you removed the bellows. I'm assuming that that direction is forward for the front standard and back for the back standard. Tilt the other direction is 15°, more than enough for most situations.)
    Tapered bellows.....................Yes
    Drop bed design.....................drops 15°
    Minimum Bellows Extension.....................3.16” (80.3mm)
    Maximum bellows extension.....................14.04” (356.7mm)
    Geared Focus.....................142mm
    Longest Lens with maximum bellows draw.....................400mm
    Shortest Lens with flat Lens Board.....................90mm
    Weight.....................3.42 lbs.
    Folded Dimensions.....................7.91(H) x 6.97(W) x 4(D)"

    As mentioned above, the 15° tilt, while not hugely generous, is enough for all but the most extreme situations and typical for full-featured field cameras like this.

    Hope this helps,

    Doremus

  7. #7

    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Tucson AZ
    Posts
    1,822

    Re: Not understanding Toyo Base Tilt Front and Rear

    From looking at the link to the camera specs, I think they're being a bit less that straightforward in how they describe this. If you drop the bed 15 degrees and then level the bed, the back will be tilted 15 degrees. I wonder if that's what they're referring to as back tilt??? Don't have the camera so I don't really know, but unless they've done something like Linhof did with the Technika or have a way to lock the bed drop at intermediate positions it doesn't look like there's real back tilt.

  8. #8

    Join Date
    Jan 2019
    Posts
    316

    Re: Not understanding Toyo Base Tilt Front and Rear

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Andrada View Post
    From looking at the link to the camera specs, I think they're being a bit less that straightforward in how they describe this. If you drop the bed 15 degrees and then level the bed, the back will be tilted 15 degrees. I wonder if that's what they're referring to as back tilt??? Don't have the camera so I don't really know, but unless they've done something like Linhof did with the Technika or have a way to lock the bed drop at intermediate positions it doesn't look like there's real back tilt.
    I don't have one of these, but if you look at a better picture of the 45AII there are big knobs on the lower side of the body, each side. I believe these are used to loosen/lock a continuous back tilt. There is a picture in the listing at https://kamerastore.com/product/toyo...enses-holders/ that shows the movements in action (showing the camera tied into a bigger knot than you would ever really do with a field camera).

  9. #9

    Join Date
    Aug 2000
    Location
    California
    Posts
    3,908

    Re: Not understanding Toyo Base Tilt Front and Rear

    If this is the model with a plastic body, we had one at the college. The 1st time it was put on a tripod by the lab tech, the body cracked and was unusable.

  10. #10

    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Location
    Canmore Alberta
    Posts
    754

    Re: Not understanding Toyo Base Tilt Front and Rear

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Noel View Post
    If this is the model with a plastic body, we had one at the college. The 1st time it was put on a tripod by the lab tech, the body cracked and was unusable.
    The CF is the carbonfiber model. I agree with you. My friends at The Camera Store let me have one for the weekend. I was not convinced it was worth the saving in weight & happily returned it quickly on monday morning!

Similar Threads

  1. Front Axis tilt with back base tilt
    By Fatih in forum Style & Technique
    Replies: 12
    Last Post: 24-Mar-2021, 17:22
  2. Front Axis Tilt vs Front Base Tilt: Strategy??
    By AdamD in forum Cameras & Camera Accessories
    Replies: 15
    Last Post: 15-Dec-2020, 12:57
  3. How does rear tilt affect front tilt?
    By 6x6TLL in forum Style & Technique
    Replies: 76
    Last Post: 18-Sep-2020, 17:16
  4. Understanding rear tilt/shift
    By Philippe Gauthier in forum Style & Technique
    Replies: 6
    Last Post: 1-Oct-2004, 07:26

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •